EDDIE VAN BASTEN, DAVIDS LEE ROTH... VAN HALEN BEGINS

Gregg escribió:Lo que quería decir antes, y en menos palabras: Sammy no era un muerto de hambre ni alguien a quien se le pusieron los ojos en chiribitas cuando le ofrecieron el puesto en VH.
De hecho gracias a Sammy VH pudieron seguir.
El hecho de que el animal mutase e hiciese otro tipo de música... bueno, es inevitable, y de todos modos el animal había mutado tras Fair Warning.
Es mas, creo que Sammy recondujo a la banda por la buena senda tras el pop de Diver Down/1984/5150. Sammy ayudó a traer el ROCK de vuelta.
Y anecdóticamente indico (reivindico) que mi disco favorito de VH es Women And Children First...

Estoy de acuerdo contigo. Sammy hizo un gran trabajo en Van Halen. Pero aún así, para reivindicar el trabajo de Sammy, no hace falta cuestionar ni media semicorchea de lo que hicieron con Diamond Dave. Esos 6 discos son PERFECTOS.

Perry go round escribió:

Gregg escribió:Lo que quería decir antes, y en menos palabras: Sammy no era un muerto de hambre ni alguien a quien se le pusieron los ojos en chiribitas cuando le ofrecieron el puesto en VH.
De hecho gracias a Sammy VH pudieron seguir.
El hecho de que el animal mutase e hiciese otro tipo de música... bueno, es inevitable, y de todos modos el animal había mutado tras Fair Warning.
Es mas, creo que Sammy recondujo a la banda por la buena senda tras el pop de Diver Down/1984/5150. Sammy ayudó a traer el ROCK de vuelta.
Y anecdóticamente indico (reivindico) que mi disco favorito de VH es Women And Children First...

Estoy de acuerdo contigo. Sammy hizo un gran trabajo en Van Halen. Pero aún así, para reivindicar el trabajo de Sammy, no hace falta cuestionar ni media semicorchea de lo que hicieron con Diamond Dave. Esos 6 discos son PERFECTOS.

No, en ningún modo lo cuestiono.

Mi punto de vista es: los cuatro primeros SI son muy buenos. Espera, rectifico: los cuatro primeros me gustan mucho (aunque siempre le he puesto peros al VHII, que es una fotocopia mala del primer álbum). VHI, Women y Fair Warning son monumentos al ROCK con mayúsculas.
Para mi Diver Down es un pastiche.
1984 es una concesión al pop y donde ya no se oye por ninguna parte el "brown sound" de Van Halen. Vale, algunos temas muy buenos (Panama, Top Jimmy), pero la mitad del disco es una concesión al pop, una bajada de pantalones - aunque sean los estilosos pantalones de Dave y Edward de la época.

5150 es un disco que hoy en dia no puedo tragar entero !!
OU812 es ROCK, que demonios, y FUCK es acojonante. Y para rematar, Balance es un disco a reivindicar. ¿Ninguno de estos tan bueno como Women o Fair Warning? Ni idea, demonios, me gustan estos dos y OU812 y FUCK.

¿Me estás diciendo que prefieres el OU812 al 1984 y el Diver Down?
Ni en mil vidas, OU812 me parece el segundo peor disco editado bajo en nombre de Van Halen, sólo mejor que el horrendo III. Y Balance es el 3º menos bueno.

Perry go round escribió:¿Me estás diciendo que prefieres el OU812 al 1984 y el Diver Down?
Ni en mil vidas, OU812 me parece el segundo peor disco editado bajo en nombre de Van Halen, sólo mejor que el horrendo III. Y Balance es el 3º menos bueno.

NO he dicho eso concretamente, pero ya que me lo pones asi... veamos, puntualicemos:

Prefiero (ojo, no digo que sea mejor ni peor, son mis gustos) el OU812 ó cualquier disco con Sammy a Diver Down. Punto.
Y si tengo que quedarme con OU o con 84.... pues no sabría... ahí andan en mi ranking particular.

VH con Sammy según Gregg: FUCK > OU812 > BALANCE > 5150

VH con Roth según Gregg (ya puestos): Women and Children First > Fair Warning > Van Halen > II > 1984 > Diver Down

Y NO, no caigo en la tentación de mezclar ajos con cebollas, digo, Sammys con Roths, je je je

Johnny Kashmir is back! escribió:VH con Sammy según Gregg: FUCK > OU812 > BALANCE > 5150

Yes, dear Johnny, for me half the 5150 record is a PETARDO as they say in Spain.

(Good enough for uh?? Get Up?? Inside ??????????????)

Gregg escribió:

Perry go round escribió:¿Me estás diciendo que prefieres el OU812 al 1984 y el Diver Down?
Ni en mil vidas, OU812 me parece el segundo peor disco editado bajo en nombre de Van Halen, sólo mejor que el horrendo III. Y Balance es el 3º menos bueno.

NO he dicho eso concretamente, pero ya que me lo pones asi... veamos, puntualicemos:

Prefiero (ojo, no digo que sea mejor ni peor, son mis gustos) el OU812 ó cualquier disco con Sammy a Diver Down. Punto.
Y si tengo que quedarme con OU o con 84.... pues no sabría... ahí andan en mi ranking particular.

VH con Sammy según Gregg: FUCK > OU812 > BALANCE > 5150

VH con Roth según Gregg (ya puestos): Women and Children First > Fair Warning > Van Halen > II > 1984 > Diver Down

Y NO, no caigo en la tentación de mezclar ajos con cebollas, digo, Sammys con Roths, je je je

mmm, veamos, para mí la cosa sería así:
Con Sammy: FUCK > 5150 > Balance > OU812.
Con Diamond Dave: Fair Warning > Van Halen > 1984 > Women & Children First > Van Halen II > Diver Down.
Pero realmente las diferencias entre unos y otros las considero muy pequeñas, son 10 grandes discos. Digamos que al peor de ellos le daría un 8, y luego hay por lo menos 5 o 6 que están en el 10.

Perry go round escribió:¿Me estás diciendo que prefieres el OU812 al 1984 y el Diver Down?
Ni en mil vidas, OU812 me parece el segundo peor disco editado bajo en nombre de Van Halen, sólo mejor que el horrendo III. Y Balance es el 3º menos bueno.

Balance es una mezcla de FUCK con OU812. Le sobra alguna cosa, es algo largo de más (53 minutos !!). Quitandole dos canciones es un discazo.

Gregg escribió:

Perry go round escribió:¿Me estás diciendo que prefieres el OU812 al 1984 y el Diver Down?
Ni en mil vidas, OU812 me parece el segundo peor disco editado bajo en nombre de Van Halen, sólo mejor que el horrendo III. Y Balance es el 3º menos bueno.

Balance es una mezcla de FUCK con OU812. Le sobra alguna cosa, es algo largo de más (53 minutos !!). Quitandole dos canciones es un discazo.

Bueno, por sonido y producción puede que sí. Pero por las canciones no se parece mucho a F.U.C.K., para mí Balance es más un disco surgido de hacer jams que de buscar canciones, mientras que FUCK es claramente un disco de canciones y OU812 también. Balance es el disco más "atípico" en ese sentido de Van Halen. Y ojo, que considero un acierto que lo hiciesen así, aunque diga que es mi 3º disco menos querido de Van Halen, me parece un disco de notable alto y el hecho de que buscasen nuevas fórmulas y sonidos, evitó que cayesen en la reptición, y eso es algo muy muy positivo. Luego metieron un Hit-Single súper comercial a medida de las radios para venderlo, está claro, si no tuviese una canción como "I Can't Stop Loving You", podrían haberse dado un batacazo comercial considerable, porque el resto del disco fue una apuesta arriesgada.

Por cierto: ¿habéis visto el video del concierto en Australia con Cherone?
Está bastante bien, Copperfield, digoooo Cherone (hay que verlo el video para coger el chiste) cumple de sobras, y el set list es jugoso:
1. UNCHAINED
2. WITHOUT YOU
3. ONE I WANT
4. MEANSTREET
5. FIRE IN THE HOLE
6. SOMEBODY GET ME A DOCTOR
7. WHY CAN'T THIS BE LOVE
8. YEAR TO THE DAY
9. RIGHT NOW
10. JOSEPHINA
11. AIN'T TALKIN' 'BOUT LOVE
12. PANAMA

Por cierto, existe un disco inédito con Cherone, grabado obviamente tras III

Pues no, no lo he visto. Sólo sé que en alguna entrevista parecían emocionados porque con Cherone podrían tocar algunos temas antiguos que Sammy se negaba a interpretar.
Siempre tuve "algo" de curiosidad por saber cómo sonaban en directo con Cherone, pero aún así, un concierto con 5 canciones del Van Halen III puede ser algo duro de asimilar!
Qué disco tan malo, me cago en la puta

Oh, lo que no sabía es que habían grabado una continuación del Van Halen III. Eso sí que me gustaría escucharlo algún día. Si se parece al que sacaron, será un día perdido, pero bueno, peor que el III es muy difícil que pueda ser.

Por cierto Gregg ¿has escuchado ese disco, se puede encontrar pirata por algún lado o simplemente sabes que existe?

Perry go round escribió:Por cierto Gregg ¿has escuchado ese disco, se puede encontrar pirata por algún lado o simplemente sabes que existe?

Se puede encontrar pirata, pero NO lo he escuchado.

Lo que si se lamenta Cherone es que grabaron un disco en directo en la gira americana que no fue editado. Otra cosa más que está en el baúl de Edward. Bueno, para ser realistas no es un baúl, quienes lo han visto hablan de un GARAJE LLENO DE CINTAS tanto de música con Dave, Sammy, Gary o demos sin voz de ahora y de siempre.

Tendré que buscar ese disco, bueno, los dos, el de estudio y el de directo, a ver si los localizo.
Lo de la colección de música que tiene Eddie ya he oído hablar, de hecho dicen que para este disco de estudio que están grabando, ha estado rebuscando viejos riffs y músicas sin usar del pasado.

Gregg escribió:Hang Em High si es un buen tema, un oasis en un desproposito de disco, que ni portada tiene = pretende ser, sin conseguirlo, un retazo de la guitarra de Edward

La portada es la bandera que utilizan los buceadores sobre una boya para advertir a las embarcaciones de que en ese espacio hay una persona sumergida, referencia obvia al título del álbum.

"bandera buceo" + Google IMÁGENES para comprobarlo.

Inframan, Menorca, aquí sí hay playa.

Extracto de la autobiografía del Red Rocker.La verdad es que promete carnaza el asunto....


One enjoyable moment for Hagar was the news his greatest hits collection,
"Unboxed," had gone gold. It was the fifth consecutive time Geffen had hit
paydirt with the singer. When Van Halen brought its live act to Houston,
Sammy and Kari felt like celebrating. The show's promoter, Pace Concerts, had
been involved with Hagar and Van Halen for years. Subsequently, company
president Louis Messina had become a very good friend, and was instrumental
in breaking the Red Rocker as a solo artist in Texas. When the couple arrived
in town, Messina promptly invited them to join him and his wife for dinner.
"We had a great time that night," Hagar laughed. "Louis and I talked about
what an asshole Ray was, and how much he had fucked the band. He told me
things about him I didn't even know had gone down like special deals with
promoters. Louis explained the whole scenario that night, and I'm going,
"You're shitting me!"He told me Ray would offer him shows for $350,000
dollars, then give them to somebody else for $100,000. That was his move.
I know that for a fact, because I checked it out through our booking agent,
Barbara Skydel. For instance, when we played New Orleans, Ray wanted to
charge Pace $250,000 for the show. Louis said he couldn't pay that much,
because it was a small building and he'd lose his ass even if it sold out.
Ray then turned around and gave it to Don Fox at Beaver for $60,000. "Let
me tell you, Ray Danniels was out to screw Louis, and all the old Leffler
guys, no matter what. He stuck them up to where their payout on a sell-out
was $3,000 and we'd make $300,000. Then he'd take his old friends, who had
never worked with Leffler because he hated them, and give Van Halen to them
for nothing. We'd make our percentage, but the guarantee was shit. In other
words, if the show doesn't do so good, don't worry; you won't lose anything.
Ray would screw anybody, even his friends, but he gave them better deals
than he did Louis." Unable to make any improvements on Van Halen's record
contract, Danniels exploited the only other lucrative area of the band's
revenue stream touring. He kept Leffler's deal of a 90/10 split with promoters
after expenses, but he increased the guarantee ten-fold from what it used to
be. Instead of booking Van Halen for $25,000, promoters often had to pay
upwards of a quarter of a quarter of a million to land a date with the group.
"Let me tell you," pointed out Sammy, "Ray upped the fuck out of the
guarantees to guys like Louis Messina and others Leffler had worked with over
the years. A lot of those shows didn't sell out completely. Not only did the
promoters not get their ten percent, they lost money as well. When these guys
got screwed, Ray would not give them any money back. He blamed them for the
loss and moved on. Hell, he even said Louis was one of the worst promoters in
America. That was an amazing statement considering our biggest shows were the
one's he promoted. The biggest bombs we had were the Don Fox shows. Leffler
and I never worked with him once, but when Ray came in, he did a lot of our
shows." After dinner, Hagar suggested the party walk back from the restaurant
instead of taking the limo. They were about a mile away from the hotel. As
they made their way back, the group made a side detour that yielded some
startling surprises. "When we finished our meal," continued Hagar, "we were
a little tipsy, so I thought we should walk the shit off. It was about 10:30
at night when we left the restaurant. As we were strolling toward the hotel,
we walked in front of this house with a big neon hand in the window that said
fortune teller, palmist reader. I looked at everyone and said, "Let's go in."
Louis' wife goes, "Oh, I've been to this lady. She's good."I looked at her and
went, "You're saying this is good? Come on man, this is a joke!" Judging from
my own experience, this place was like a commercial to me, you know, psychic
hotline stuff. Anyway, we all walked into a real strange scene. There were
about ten kids inside and a bunch of Middle Eastern men, sitting around
smoking cigarettes and drinking coffee under a low ceiling. We're standing in
the living room of this house, and they go to get her. This woman comes out
and puts on a special kind of costume. She's real shifty-eyed with cigarette
burns all over her fucking arm like she'd been tortured. I'm serious, man.
Louis's wife goes in first. She comes out and says, "Whoa, that was good."
Louis goes in and comes out going, "Wow, man; blew my mind." Kari goes in and
comes out saying, "I don't know; I couldn't relate to the lady. She was trying
to trip me out." Then it was my turn. I walked in, and the lady goes, "Do you
want to do tarot cards, or do you want me to do a psychic reading with a
crystal ball?" I asked her which she preferred, and she told me the cards.
Tarot readings are only effective if the person translating the message really
knows what the cards are saying. Robert Dudas, he says, was an expert at
reading the cards he laid out. After spending countless hours with the Czech
immigrant over the years, Hagar was confident he could spot a phony. To his
surprise, the woman before him displayed a remarkable talent for rendering
an accurate clarification of what the cards predicted lay in store for Sammy's
future. "I had been with psychics before," countered Hagar, "so I knew their
routine. This lady put the cards down and her interpretation was quite good.
I could tell she knew tarot. She shuffles the cards after her first reading,
and starts laying them down one at a time. Suddenly the lady stops and says,
"You must be very careful."She put down the next card and said, "Oh, my! The
people that you work with; those people don't like you. They will do anything
to hurt you. "I swear to God this woman said this to me. No names were ever
mentioned, but she goes on to say, "You have to be so be careful. The people
you are working with right now in your life, for some reason, they want to
destroy you; they want to crush you. You have to watch your back at all times.
These people hate you, despise you and are conspiring against you. They are
putting anything together to hurt you. They just don't want to get rid of
you, they want to control you; they want to hurt you." God's truth man that's
exactly what this woman told me. I thanked her and left. When I told Louis
what she'd said, he started going off. He says, "Them motherfuckers, that
fucking Ray!" Now this woman had also told him that he and his wife were going
to get a divorce. I remember Louis saying "Yeah, she didn't have much good to
say about my wife. I'm fucked."They separated, but I don't know if they got a
divorce. It was amazing though, how this lady went off about the danger I was
in. She told me these people were treacherous and how much they disliked me.
She didn't know why they were against me, but insisted they really had it in
for me and there was a conspiracy going on. It was an unreal experience. I
mean, who's going to take stock value of any woman who lives in a house with
a neon hand on her living room window advertising palmistry and psychic
readings? But I'm telling you man, what that lady said was definitely
happening to me. Three weeks after Hagar's career problems were revealed to
him in tarot cards, another incident took place in Louisville, Kentucky. It
too would also have far reaching implications on the band's future. Before
the "Balance" tour started, a representative from the American Harvest
foundation contacted Danniels to see if Van Halen would be interested in
sponsoring food drives at their shows around the country. The band agreed to
get behind the charity and encouraged fans to bring canned goods and
non-perishable items to their shows. The national headquarters for American
Harvest was located in Louisville. The head of the organization, Stan, was a
major golf nut like Eddie," vouched Hagar. "On our day off, he invited him out
for a round of golf. Later that afternoon, Kari and I were riding back to the
hotel on our tandem bike, when I spotted Eddie getting out of the limousine.
He was dragging his right leg behind him, like some Frankenstein monster. I
asked him what in the hell happened, and he said, "Man, my leg is killing me."
We took him to the hospital to see what the problem was. The doctors told
Eddie he had a degenerative bone in his hip and needed surgery to replace
it. From that day forward, he walked around with a cane and during shows,
sat down on stage a lot. He couldn't do any meet and greets if there were
stairs he had to negotiate. His hip hurt so bad, he couldn't walk up or down
the steps. Around this time, we were scheduled to go overseas and open several
dates with Bon Jovi. I told Ray we shouldn't do it with Eddie limping around,
even though we would lose quite a bit of money if we canceled. Ray Danniels
put Eddie on painkillers, so he could function on stage and keep the European
dates. Despite the growing differences between the singer and guitarist, one
thing neither could deny was their gift to create music. Eddie always seemed
to come up with the right music for the lyrics Sammy brought him, or vice
versa. "Balance "had been a painful album for Hagar to write. It dealt with
the emotional conflicts caused by his separation and divorce from Betsy. The
words that came pouring out of him, he says, had a more grown up feel to them.
Gone were the angst-ridden teenage messages that had dominated his style of
writing for years. After two decades of writing songs about sex, drugs and
rock and roll, that part of life no longer interested him. The painful end
of his 23-year union had a lot to do with the internal changes he made.
"There's no doubt the break-up of my marriage had a great affect on me,"
imparted Hagar, "when I wrote "Balance. "Can't Stop Loving You,' is Betsy's
perspective about the divorce. That song is basically her saying, "I still
love you, and I want to put this marriage back together again." She keeps
coming back to me saying can't stop loving you no matter what. That's all
she wants to keep on loving me but it's not going to happen on my part. I
sang that song totally honest and soulful. I believe 'Can't Stop,' represented
the integrity and truthfulness of the entire record.

I am alone the villainof the earth, And I feel I am so most.
Antony & Cleopatra

Midway through the arena tour, Sammy discovered Ray Danniels trying to pull a
fast one on Van Halen fans. He had authorized promoters to extend the range
of premium priced tickets to encompass nearly the entire arena floor. In the
past couple of years, promoters invented an area called the Golden Circle to
capitalize on the growing influence of ticket scalpers, who often charged
double and triple the face value for tickets close to the stage. They reasoned
that fans willing to pay ticket broker's aggressively higher prices for their
favorite bands, would tolerate a two-tier price structure when tickets went
on sale. The best seats in the house were marked $10-15 higher than seats in
the rest of the arena. The Golden Circle usually involved the first 20 rows
in front of the main stage. It sometimes extended to lower balcony seats right
next to the stage as well. Hagar caught wind of the manager's deception to
include practically the entire floor, and confronted him about it. "Ray had
extended the Golden Circle by another 1,000 seats," exclaimed the singer,
"all the way back to the sound booth. Hell, I can't even see myself back
there. I chewed his ass out, when I found out what he'd been doing. I said,
"You're charging people in the back $45 for the same seat the guy in the
front row has! That's bullshit Ray. Don't be fucking the fans over. Roll
back the ticket price now!" I busted him on it big time. It was a very
cheesy move he pulled just to make more money. He was trying to bring in
another $100,000 on top of the $150 to 175,000 we were guaranteed every
night. Since Van Halen was one of the few bands that could guarantee a
sell-out in every town they played, Ray tried to increase our percentages
above the guarantee. He didn't care about cheating the fans. When I told the
band what he was doing, we all made him stop the bullshit." After the band's
last arena date in Sacramento on May 15, they took a few days off before
flying to Paris to begin a six-week run of European festival dates. Van
Halen was going to assume an unfamiliar role on their second jaunt in two
years through the continent opening for Bon Jovi. In an amazing reversal of
fortune, the New Jersey-based outfit's popularity had soared overseas, while
its support in the United States had dropped considerably. Bon Jovi had
recently released a greatest hits album in Europe, and had asked Ray
Danniels if Van Halen would be interested in being their support act. A tour
over there had previously been discussed, and this offer gave the band the
opportunity to cross the Atlantic and perform without the pressures of selling
tickets. Van Halen would be playing before more people every night than they
could ever possibly draw on their own. Besides that, they wouldn't have the
added expense of dragging their stage equipment from country to country.
Touring Europe as a second bill act was an eye-opening event for the band;
Eddie's sore hip and Al's injured neck not withstanding. Danniels committed
the band to 21 festival dates. The cool reception Van Halen received from the
capacity crowds of 60 to 70,000 people on a nightly basis jolted them. It
nearly mimicked their headlining romp in 1993 when the dumbfounded band
realized they weren't the rock gods in this part of the world they thought
they were. "In most of the festivals we played," sighed Hagar, "while I was
singing, I'd see makeshift signs that read "Jon," or "We Love Bon Jovi." It
was actually kind of cute to see these young girls holding signs up, but Eddie
couldn't handle it. He was freaking, because he wasn't a guitar hero to any of
these kids. Not once during the entire time we toured over there, did the
crowd ever chant, "Eddie, Eddie, Eddie." After some songs, I tried to get the
crowd fired up by yelling Eddie's name over the loud speakers. Every time it
was met with dead silence. By the end of the tour, he was so bummed out, he
even cut his guitar solo down to one minute. Whoever heard of Eddie Van Halen
playing a one minute guitar solo? They did in Europe. It got so bad for him
over there, sometimes he didn't even solo during a show. Man, I'm telling you,
there were no drum or bass solos, or acoustic versions of 'Give to Live' and
'Eagles Fly.' This tour had to be one of the most depressing times on the road
I ever witnessed with Van Halen. In probably half the shows we played, we got
no encores. This band was absolutely nothing over there. There would be
occasions where we had our little contingent of 10,000 fans jumping up and
down yelling "Yeah, Van Halen

But you know what when this scene is happening in a stadium with 70,000
people, it's embarrassing. I'd be standing on the stage looking at this ocean
of people not responding to our music thinking, "Sorry, I thought maybe you would
like this." It was totally fucked for us. We'd play the last song of our set,
say thank you and that was it. Ray Danniels said we were big over there. Screw
him! Sometimes we even went back on stage for an encore when the crowd didn't
want one. We just said, "To hell with it. Let's go back and do another one.
"Van Halen wasn't getting called back for any encores until we finally wised
up and made 'Jump' the last song of the set. That would get people going, and
we'd come back for another song. Even then, it didn't always work. Bon Jovi
sold out Wembley Stadium three consecutive nights toward the end of the tour.
We ended each performance with 'Jump,' and nobody cared. Each night over
70,000 people had paid money to see Bon Jovi, and Bon Jovi only. I was amazed
that nobody gave a damn about Van Halen. Believe me, this band was totally
humbled by the experience. The last festival date for Van Halen was June 28,
at Sheffield, England. Afterwards, the unconquering heros boarded a plane for
the welcomed journey back home. The long flight back gave Hagar plenty of
time to think about the problems the group was facing. The lukewarm response
they had received the past few weeks convinced him it was time to take the
band's music in a new direction. Eddie Van Halen had so many musical
dimensions in his arsenal, Sammy says he had to figure out a way to tap into
it. The band was going to have to pump up the volume, but not necessarily
Van Halen style. He thought a different drum beat, like the one heard in
dance music, would change the tempo and give Eddie a chance to be creative
with the various sounds he loved to tinker with. If Van Halen ever wanted to
be a truly global band, it was crucial to win over European audiences. This
last foray overseas was a qualified disaster. Throughout its 18-year history,
Van Halen had continuously neglected the multi-national continent in favor of
the more lucrative American market. Now it was paying the price for that
arrogance. Something had to be done to change Europe's perception of the
band, or Hagar's ultimate dream of making Van Halen the preeminent rock and
roll band in the world would be dashed forever.

What men dare do! What men may do! What men daily do; not knowing what they
do.
Much Ado About Nothing

The second American leg of the "Balance" tour was set for mid-July. Sammy,
Alex and Michael Anthony spent the two-week break enjoying their family and
friends. Eddie however, was going through his own private hell with Valerie
back in Los Angeles. Her representatives had recently been contacted by the
supermarket tabloid, "The Globe." They wanted to get a reaction from the
actress concerning a story they were going to press with detailing Eddie Van
Halen's torrid two-year affair with 33-year old Andi Remington. The magazine
spoke with Bertinelli's publicist, Heidi Schaeffer, who told the scandal sheet
the couple's marriage was now solid. She said Eddie's fling came while he was
in the middle of a boozy haze. Schaeffer also said Eddie's drinking didn't
excuse his actions, but it did explain why the affair happened. The publicist
further asserted to the "Globe" that the guitarist hardly remembered
Remington, nor any of the specifics that went down between the two. When the
issue hit the newsstands on July 15, the green-eyed blonde jogged Eddie's
memory with vivid accounts of their sexual exploits both on the road and in
Valerie's bed. The story was accompanied by a picture of a nude Eddie with a
guitar around his neck and an "MTV Video" award in his hand. When the article
broke, the embarrassed paramour was in Holmdel, New Jersey, playing the first
of two sold-out shows at the Garden State Arts Center. "Yes sir!" bellowed
Hagar, "when that story broke, it was a bombshell. I had never seen that woman
on tour with us, because Eddie didn't bring girls on the road. I knew Eddie
had some problems, but we kept them quiet. I don't know what went down between
him and Valerie when that story came out, because I wasn't hanging around him
then. Besides, it's not my place to talk about Eddie's extracurricular
activity. There's a certain bond you have with your friends, and I'm not into
taking cheap shots at him. I still think of Eddie as a friend even though he
might not consider me one. I'll tell you this right now; Eddie did not bring
women to our shows. If he had chicks, they weren't at the gigs. I was the only
one stupid enough to drag them along." When the dust finally settled over the
embarrassing revelations of Eddie's extramarital affair, Van Halen went about
the task of playing music. As they continued to do blockbuster business around
the country, Hagar says he began feeling more and more isolated from the
brothers. Whispers of a greatest hits album continued to surface from time to
time, and Danniels influence continued to grow. It was slowly dawning on the
singer how much damage the manager had actually done to the internal structure
of the band. For months, Ray had successfully fueled the brothers'
ever-increasing insecurities about their singer. After a few months under the
manager's reign, Sammy says he finally asked himself if the ongoing battles
with Danniels were actually worth it. As the question became more of a
philosophical debate rather than a judgement call, the singer decided
providence had already dictated the outcome, so why not just let it be. "When
Ray came into this band," observed Hagar, "I started feeling like I was really
bucking the fates. I kept thinking, "Why am I fighting this, if these guys are
so adamant about it? Why does everyone else want this but me?

Why battle on and be miserable? You know, be Zen, go with the flow and be
happy. "Listen, I knew Ray was an evil piece of shit, and he pissed me off
most of the time. After all hell broke loose about the money and the
publishing deal, I just flat out didn't trust him. For months, I had been
trying to hold on to Ed Leffler's values; hold on to the way things were and
protect those people I cared about. Believe me, I loved this band, but it
always seemed like I was fighting, fighting, fighting. For a long time, I was
like the stiff birch tree in the wind, instead of the willow. One day it just
dawned on me that my negative attitude was getting me nowhere. I started
going, "You know, it just doesn't matter. What if all this falls apart, and I
am right, and they're wrong? What if I am wrong, and they are right? What if
the tour bombs, the record bombs, what if I leave? What if I get kicked out?
What if Eddie dies? "I finally realized that challenging the inevitable was a
waste of time. About four months into the tour I just went, "I'm just making
myself unhappy arguing with Ed and Al all the time. You know what fuck it. It
just doesn't matter anymore. I'm ready to let it go. I quit! "That's when I
relinquished control of the band. The in-fighting was ruining my life. Instead
of going out on stage every night pissed off at Eddie, I decided to project
love and a positive attitude. I went on a mission to pour my heart out to the
crowd. Once I did that, an amazing thing happened I saw the light. Up until Ed
Leffler died, I was in control of Van Halen . I called the shots, and we did
things I thought were right for the band. Now make no mistake, Leffler
wouldn't back me if he thought I was wrong. Whenever he sided with the
brothers, that was the end of the discussion. It wasn't always me verses them,
because most of the time we got along great. Eddie was no leader, and neither
was Alex. With Ray Danniels in the picture, I was in for the fight of my life.

Lord, what fools these mortals be.
A Midsummers Nights Dreams

Hagar says the manager was so intent on solidifying his relationship with the
brothers, sometimes he put his own health at risk. The Van Halen's were
notorious smokers and had a separate limo take them to shows apart from Hagar
and Michael Anthony. Ray Danniels suffered from severe asthma. Hagar says that
over fifty percent of the time on tour, the manager was huddled with the
brothers in their limousine discussing future plans with them like a greatest
hits record. Strong whispers that Danniels was making a deal with Warner Bros.
had raised his concern that the project might become a reality. With certain
odd situations now taking place at soundcheck, the singer started to realize
what the manager was up to, during those excursions back to the hotel, after
the shows. Sometimes, if the drive was quite long, the manager would have the
Van Halen's limo pull over so he could ride in the trailing car with Sammy,
Kari and Michael Anthony. The musicians would watch in amusement as Danniels,
gasping for air, jumped out of Eddie and Al's smoke-infested car. He'd take
his inhaler and quickly squirt the contents into his aching lungs. When he
came back to the waiting limo complaining about all the cigarettes he'd been
exposed to, the trior would just shake their heads and ask him why he exposed
himself to such hazardous conditions in the first place. The manager would
artfully dodge the question. One particular point of contention that bothered
the Van Halen's was the Cabo Wabo down in Mexico. Since they had divested
their interests in the property, reports were coming back to the brothers
about how well the club was doing. Alex, in particular, thought Hagar had
sandbagged the cantina's problems so he could gain complete control of it.
Whenever the bar's success was mentioned, Sammy says Eddie and Al had to bite
down on their tongues real hard and swallow their pride. They had absolutely
no one but themselves to blame for their decision to absolve themselves of
the nightspot. Also, nothing was ever mentioned about their part in forcing
Michael Anthony out of the venture as well. Needless to say, the song the
club was named for off "OU812", rarely made it on the band's nightly set list.
Ray told me the Cabo Wabo was a real sore subject with Ed and Al," offered
Sammy. "People were going down there for vacation and coming back to the
brothers saying, "Wow, I went to your club; it's great. The place was packed
and there was a long line of people out front to get in." Al would tell them,
"Well, I don't own the club. Alex started claiming that I had fucked him and
his brother by letting the club run down, then acting like I didn't give a
damn about the place. Once I gained control, the club mysteriously started
making money. Let me tell you something right now. I gave those two every
opportunity to stay in the Cabo Wabo. I had to sign away my life practically
to get their interest in the place. The club was making money, because I got
a real partner who cared about the bar. Marco spent nearly a half million
dollars of his own money fixing up the place and paying off all the debt.
Second, I went down to Cabo as often as I could, and worked my ass off to
support it. When the Van Halen express pulled into Danniels's hometown of
Toronto, for two sold-out shows at the Molson Amphitheater August 18-19, a
decision was made to film the shows for a later pay-per-view special in
December. Hagar says the band's two performances were the best of the tour.
"I told Ray I thought a pay-per-view was a brilliant idea. I said, "Ray,
this is great, but let's make it cheap. There's no way we can pull this off
for $39.95. Make it less than ten dollars so kids can con their parents into
seeing it. They will tell mom and dad that since they're too little to ever
see Van Halen, this is the only way they can do it." I figured that if we made
this pay-per-view inexpensive for parents, they would let their children see
the telecast. Ray thought the lower price was a good move as well, so he made
arrangements to sell the show for $9.95 when it aired. It was my idea, but
I'll give Ray some credit here. He bit on the suggestion and made it happen.
Another interesting recommendation also came to light during the Toronto
concerts. Though he didn't know it at the time, this particular conversation
would have a profound affect on the Red Rocker's future. Sammy heard Danniels
say the band had been asked to do a song for a soundtrack Warner Bros. was
producing, for a big-budget film being released next year. When Hagar asked
Ray to be more specific, the manager told him that Van Halen had been invited
to contribute music to a movie called" Twister. Sammy was mildly shocked when
he heard the news. He had been aware of the movie for months. John Kalodner
had called him at home before the "Balance" tour started, and said his new
employer, Sony, was working on a soundtrack project. If Hagar was interested,
he could contribute a song to the album they were producing. Over the years,
Sammy had received several offers to appear on motion picture soundtracks.
The most recent invitation came in 1993 for the "Mrs. Doubtfire" movie
starring Robin Williams. The producers wanted to use "Amnesty is Granted"
for the closing credits if Hagar would sing the song. He had to decline
because of the potential problems it would cause with the band. After the
brouhaha with Eddie and Al over Leffler's publishing deal however, the Red
Rocker says his loyalty to Van Halen changed. Motion picture soundtracks were
now an option he was willing to explore. Kalodner had switched labels since
the release of Hagar's greatest hits package the year before. When Geffen
decided their future was strictly in alternative music, they eased the
veteran out of the company, as they purged all their hard rock acts. Kalodner
had been hired by Sony to watch over their multimillion dollar investment in
Aerosmith, who was now officially on board. The executive had been
instrumental in reviving the band's career in 1985, and had a long standing
relationship with them. The group was about to record their first Sony disc,
and the company wanted Kalodner around to babysit them, among other things.
"When we spoke at the first of the year," clarified the singer, "John said,
"Sammy, I think Columbia is going to do the soundtrack for this Steven
Spielberg movie. The film is only in the script stage right now, but it's
going to be big. It's a $75 million dollar production called "Twister."
Would you like to do a song for it?" I asked him when it was coming out, and
he said in about 18 months. I told him I'd love to do it. By that time, I
figured I'd have something straightened out with the band, regarding my
freedom to do outside projects. Around that time, a good friend from my
Capitol days who was now working at Fox, Jeff Bywater, also called me at
home. He was in charge of putting the soundtrack together for a movie called
"Independence Day "that the company's film division was producing. While Ray
was managing Van Halen, Jeff brought a lot projects to the table and asked me
what I thought about them. I told him to run them all by our manager, because
it would be better if Van Halen did it instead of myself. Nothing ever
happened on his end. When we were in Toronto, Ray was showing Alex and Eddie
an outline of the movie script Warner Bros. had sent him. They wanted the
band to do a couple of songs. Ray's an ass-kisser, and that's the only reason
he was interested in "Twister". He talked to me about it, and I said, "What
a trip! John Kalodner told me about the film months ago. He said it's going
to be a huge movie. His instincts are good; we should check it out." I was all
for doing the deal, but I'm sure my announcement messed with Ray's head a
little bit. He thought he was plugged in to everything. I called Kalodner in
September and said, "You're not going to believe this, but now they want Van
Halen to do "Twister."" John told me there were two soundtrack projects in
1996 that we should consider, "Twister "and "Independence Day. "He thought
both of them were winners. John then asked if I still wanted to contribute
a song to "Twister." Although Sony had lost the soundtrack to Warner Bros.,
he still had his connection with the executive producer of the project. I
said, "No, since Van Halen is in the running, I'm going to have to bow out.
I would never do anything to undercut these guys.

I hate ingratitude more in man, Than lying, vainness, babbling drunkeness,
Or any taint of vice whose strong corruption; Inhabits our first blood;
Twelfth Night

As the "Balance" bandwagon headed into the fall, Van Halen was on course
to perform more dates during one single tour, than they'd ever done in
their entire career. The wear and tear on the musicians was starting to
show. Alex still wore the neck brace to protect his fragile neck. Eddie
was limping around with a cane and taking painkillers for his aching leg.
His battle to control his liquor intake was also unsuccessful, according
to Hagar. For maybe half the tour, the guitarist imbibed heavily, despite
his constant denials that drinking was a thing of the past for him.
Unfortunately, after years of sobriety, brother Al also began to partake
in alcoholic beverages. He was separated from his wife and, despite his
attempts at reconciliation, his marriage was falling apart. The marital
discord was devastating him, and periodic doses of booze were his way of
coping with the grief. "Listen," Sammy chided, "Eddie really became a
horrible person when he tried to quit drinking. Throughout the tour, he
was constantly battling his addiction. Every time Eddie got drunk, he
ended up hating himself. The guy was one miserable bastard to be around,
because the more he drank, the worse his guilty conscious got to him.
Often after shows, Ed would walk straight off the stage into a waiting
limousine. He wouldn't change his clothes, shower or even eat any food.
For some reason, all the cat wanted to do was head back to his hotel room
and be by himself. Eddie did drugs too, but I'm not going to sit here and
make him out to be a drug addict. Within a year or two after I joined the
band, he started cleaning that up a lot. He just became a closet user,
like myself. I don't smoke dope religiously, but I do light up three or
four times a year. I'll do cocaine three or four times a year as well.
I'm not saying Eddie was that sparse with it, but his main problem was
alcohol. When he would drink, his emotions would swing wildly. He would
cry and almost have breakdowns. I don't want to say he necessarily had
them, but you would certainly assume that it was going to happen if he
didn't get his shit together. He had extremely bad mood swings and used
to get in a lot of trouble, as we well know, with chicks and all that
other shit. In a year of surprises on a professional front, Hagar
received some startling personal news as well. His constant companion of
nearly four years, Kari, was pregnant. Taking the news in stride, Sammy
asked her to marry him after the "Balance" tour ended in November. The
overwhelmed Texas beauty said yes. Hagar insists the pregnancy wasn't a
mistake; they were just planning on having a child much later. That
revelation was tempered by another more portent rofane display of
disrespect the Red Rocker began noticing at the scattered soundchecks he
attended before shows. "I'd walk on stage," he announced, "and Eddie
would start playing the riff for 'Hot for Teacher.' This started
happening quite a bit the last few weeks of the tour. For some stupid
reason, he started playing riffs from songs we never played in concert,
like 'Beautiful Girls.' I guarantee you that Ray Danniels had been
talking to the brothers about what songs should be on the greatest hits
album. On past tours, Eddie had never played any of the old shit at
soundcheck. When he started hitting the chords to these songs, I would be
thinking, "What the fuck is this? Is Eddie just trying to piss me off, or
is he making a hint that I should be singing these songs? Why is he
playing them?" Of course Al would kick in and play for a few seconds
while some of the roadies would be yelling, "Yeah! "Believe me, the whole
situation was weird. Now, if I would have gone up there and started
playing 'Three Lock Box,' fucking Eddie would have freaked out. The
brothers would start playing those old songs and I'd just say, "Okay,
check, check, check. You've got it. Everything's cool, bye." I'd walk off
the stage, not because I was being a prick, hell, I didn't know the
lyrics to those songs.

Pufff, me parece que voy a necesitar tiempo para poder leerme todo eso.
Curiosamente, acabo de ponerme a bajar los DVDs de Haggar con Van Halen "Live sithout a net" y "Right Here Right Now".

Yo me he leido en Julio la bio de Hagar y tiene bastante miga. El amigo Edward queda bastante mal parado.

Por cierto, esos NO son extractos del libro. Sin mucho esfuerzo es facil de comprobar: el libro está escrito en primera persona, no como esos textos.

Ah, pues lo encontré por la red y ya me choco que no estuviera narrado en 1a persona,pero bueno cuando le eche un ojo me pareció real,sobre todo cuando la historia de ser teloneros de Jon Bon....de todas formas,¿sabes si va a salir Edicion en español?

Aun así me pregunto de donde serán estos extractos,porque están bastante bien narrados...

Igual es de algún otro libro sobre el Red Rocker.

El productor del NUEVO disco de VAN HALEN, Ross Hogarth está actualmente mezclando el álbum.
Declaraciones del pollo: "it's the killing side of Van Halen at the top of their game again"

Nuestro hombre ha trabajado con Jewel, Jonas Brothers, Miley Cyrus...

Bueeeeno, también con John Mellencamp, John Fogerty, Gov't Mule, Black Crowes, Coal Chamber.... espera... que trabajase con Coal Chamber es bueno o malo ??

Gregg escribió:

Bueeeeno, también con John Mellencamp, John Fogerty, Gov't Mule, Black Crowes, Coal Chamber.... espera... que trabajase con Coal Chamber es bueno o malo ??

Es productor de quien le contrata, cullons.

Johnny Kashmir is back! escribió:

Gregg escribió:

Bueeeeno, también con John Mellencamp, John Fogerty, Gov't Mule, Black Crowes, Coal Chamber.... espera... que trabajase con Coal Chamber es bueno o malo ??

Es productor de quien le contrata, cullons.

Yeah, debe ser que le contrataron después de oir como captaba el muro de guitarras de los Jonas Bros.

Hablando en plata, que le tengo PANICO a ese disco....

(ojalá sea bueno, demonios, pero el tembleque no se me quita hasta que mis oidos me demuestren que el material está a la altura)

Oye, ¿no teníamos nuevo single para agosto?

ande anda el sencillo, pues?

ganazas de escuchar algo, por cierto alguien puede poner aquellos dos temas que grabo david en el recopilatorio que sacaron hace unos años, thanks.

Por cierto, no sé si ha comentado en el foro.

Se ha anulado el festival australiano donde iban a tocar este invierno. Por lo visto se les han caído varios cabezas de cartel. No sé si como excusa...

Gregg escribió:El productor del NUEVO disco de VAN HALEN, Ross Hogarth está actualmente mezclando el álbum.
Declaraciones del pollo: "it's the killing side of Van Halen at the top of their game again"

¡¡Eso quiere decir que ya está acabado!!
¡¡Eso quiere decir que va a salir en breve!!
¡¡Eso quiere decir que dentro de nada salen de gira!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vro92v-ibzs

la increible gira sudamericana del 83, casi todos los videos en directo que hay de van halen son del DIVER DOWN TOUR, cuando Eddie se dignara a editar algo de manera oficial, los fans llevamos siglos esperando por esto, ojala lo hicieran como KISS, y nos dieran esas golosinas en forma de VANHOLOGYS. Os imaginais...

VANHOLOGY I, los primeros años, sus dos primeros discos, la epoca de clubs, y cuando hacian de teloneros y tocaban en festivales. Con sus correspondientes clips y entrevistas. Aquella energia que desprendian los de pasadena, arrasando por donde pasaban, sus shows con Sabbath, su enemistad con Aero, etc...

VANHOLOGY II, la etapa del women y del fair warning, el gran despegue de la banda. el 1980 invasion, sus actuaciones por europa, sus venidas promocionales como la del programa aplauso, etc... clips y entrevistas, y por supuesto su precioso escenario para el fair warning tour.

VANHOLOGY III, sus directos del DIVER DOWN TOUR, tanto los de sudamerica como el US FESTIVAL, etc..., la banda en la cima del mundo, y su confirmacion planetaria con 1984 y aquel mastodontico escenario, mas arriba era imposible estar. Luego vendria la ruptura mas traumatica de la historia del hard-rock, pero a veces pasan esas cosas.

VANHOLOGY IV, la etapa hagar, con sus dvds en directo, clips, entrevistas, etc..., espero que no haya mucho de la etapa cherone, por mi la pueden pasar por alto.

VANHOLOGY V, el tour de reunion, la vuelta de eddie y david juntos. Lo que nunca esperabamos ver.

seria maravilloso, solo de soñarlo ya flipamos.

modes garcia escribió:ganazas de escuchar algo, por cierto alguien puede poner aquellos dos temas que grabo david en el recopilatorio que sacaron hace unos años, thanks.

https://www.foroazkenarock.com/t28091p940-peticiones#2097899

modes garcia escribió:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vro92v-ibzs

la increible gira sudamericana del 83, casi todos los videos en directo que hay de van halen son del DIVER DOWN TOUR, cuando Eddie se dignara a editar algo de manera oficial, los fans llevamos siglos esperando por esto, ojala lo hicieran como KISS, y nos dieran esas golosinas en forma de VANHOLOGYS. Os imaginais...

VANHOLOGY I, los primeros años, sus dos primeros discos, la epoca de clubs, y cuando hacian de teloneros y tocaban en festivales. Con sus correspondientes clips y entrevistas. Aquella energia que desprendian los de pasadena, arrasando por donde pasaban, sus shows con Sabbath, su enemistad con Aero, etc...

VANHOLOGY II, la etapa del women y del fair warning, el gran despegue de la banda. el 1980 invasion, sus actuaciones por europa, sus venidas promocionales como la del programa aplauso, etc... clips y entrevistas, y por supuesto su precioso escenario para el fair warning tour.

VANHOLOGY III, sus directos del DIVER DOWN TOUR, tanto los de sudamerica como el US FESTIVAL, etc..., la banda en la cima del mundo, y su confirmacion planetaria con 1984 y aquel mastodontico escenario, mas arriba era imposible estar. Luego vendria la ruptura mas traumatica de la historia del hard-rock, pero a veces pasan esas cosas.

VANHOLOGY IV, la etapa hagar, con sus dvds en directo, clips, entrevistas, etc..., espero que no haya mucho de la etapa cherone, por mi la pueden pasar por alto.

VANHOLOGY V, el tour de reunion, la vuelta de eddie y david juntos. Lo que nunca esperabamos ver.

seria maravilloso, solo de soñarlo ya flipamos.

Demasiado hermoso para que se haga realidad!

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=162847

VAN HALEN Completes Mixing New Album - Sep. 5, 2011
According to the usually reliable VAN HALEN fan site Van Halen News Desk, the mixing of the new VAN HALEN album began in July was completed in August. The band's first LP in 27 years to feature original singer David Lee Roth is scheduled to be mastered mid-September, with the process expected to take about a week.

There has virtually no info from the VAN HALEN camp about album or tour plans. Rumors have also suggested that the band pulled out of an Australian festival tour, which was scheduled to kick off later this month.

One person who doesn't think VAN HALEN can get together and continue its comeback is Roth replacement and former singer Sammy Hagar. "They can't get it together," he said. "You know, they can't. I was there. I saw it. Eddie [Van Halen, guitar], doesn't matter if he's clean and sober, like they — even if he is, too much damage. They're just too wacky. They're so out of it. And it could be cool, time warpy, if they were the original band and everybody was on the same page."
Producer Ross Hogarth, who has worked on the VAN HALEN album, spoke briefly about it in an interview with Ultimate-Guitar.com, saying, "I'm really stoked about it, as it is the original band, Eddie and Alex [Van Halen, drums] with Wolf [Eddie's son] playing bass, and David Lee Roth singing, it's the killing side of VAN HALEN at the top of their game again . . . and the band on fire."

ALTER BRIDGE guitarist Mark Tremonti recently said in an interview that he had gotten an opportunity to hear the music through his friendship with Wolfgang Van Halen, saying it sounded like "vintage VAN HALEN."

VAN HALEN reunited with Roth in 2007 for a successful year-long reunion tour — minus original bassist Michael Anthony, who now plays with Hagar in CHICKENFOOT.

Menudo parto más largo joooooooder!!!
http://www.vhnd.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncEiR872QwE&feature=related

la reunion fallida, ahora todo ha salido, aunque sin mike, pero bueno david y eddie por fin juntos, ahora si y con disco acabado, que ganas.

la mejor banda amerciana de hard-rock de la historia, esta de vuelta a nivel discografico, nervios.

david siempre bien rodeado

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV-6KYBPga4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiPf7ubjk4Q&NR=1

WELCOME BACK DAVID.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsrfRRsPvIM&feature=related

parte de la entrevista de david con howard stern.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAM9v1z6iI4&feature=related

que tiempos, y las caras de david en la entrevista.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsTuSdL1RqU

lo que nunca pensabamos ver, luego vino la gira, y ahora disco nuevo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D8VpoSf5Wg&feature=related

que bandas van halen y ac-dc en 1984 (vaya festival).

Qué risas con la entrevista, entre Diamond Dave presentando carreras de camiones y Angus llamando mentirosos a los que les acusan de haber grabado el mismo disco 11 veces (12 es la realidad), me he partido la caja

tattoo ya esta en el aire, primer single de los van halen 2012.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WfQ-hV3WtA&ob=av2e

La canción no está mal, pero tampoco es memorable, seamos sinceros.
Dicho lo cual, lo importante será escuchar el disco entero.

yo la he escuchado ya 3 o 4 veces y me va gustando, le doy un notable, poco a poco, pero bueno soy muy fan de los halen con dave, y solo verlos juntos a eddie con dave ya me da una alegria tremenda.

Esperaremos a todo el trabajo.

No esta nada mal el temilla... tiene gancho.