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Re: REAL MADRID
por El Botones Sacarino Miér 18 Ene 2023 - 10:13
Ladylog escribió:Si Carvajal no fuese el niño de la primera piedra de la Ciudad Deportiva hace años que estaría en el Numancia, el Ibiza o similar.
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Re: REAL MADRID
por fundo1977 Miér 18 Ene 2023 - 13:30
Cortina de humo para quitar presión a la previa de la copa...
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Re: REAL MADRID
por El Botones Sacarino Miér 18 Ene 2023 - 13:53
Cuidado que Cortegana suele tirar buena información. Dicho esto, qué cansino me resulta lo de Mbappé. Menudo serial tío.
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Re: REAL MADRID
por borope Miér 18 Ene 2023 - 14:06
El Botones Sacarino escribió:Cuidado que Cortegana suele tirar buena información. Dicho esto, qué cansino me resulta lo de Mbappé. Menudo serial tío.
Aquí lo tienes
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- Real Madrid, Mbappe and the story that won’t go away. Get ready for more smoke and mirrors
Mario Cortegana
Jan 18, 2023
Real Madrid have not forgotten about Kylian Mbappe and Mbappe has most definitely not forgotten about Real Madrid.
From the outside, things might appear to be quite different. Madrid have talked down the prospect of signing the 24-year-old striker — both publicly and privately — because they do not want this topic to be in the media. After what happened with their failed attempts to sign Mbappe last summer, they are proceeding with caution.
But they have kept open more discrete channels of communication with the player and his entourage and, since the 2022 World Cup, there has been movement.
When asked by The Athletic, Mbappe’s representatives replied that they preferred not to comment on the subject. And a senior source at Madrid, who also asked to speak anonymously to protect their position, insist they have heard nothing from Mbappe since last summer.
The situation is far from clear. If we learned anything from the saga last summer, it is to expect plenty of twists, turns and versions of the truth.
What we do know is that it is a story that is far from over and we will try to inform you as things progress.
The Mbappe to Real Madrid saga is entering a new phase. To build a picture of what might happen next, we need to head back to Paris before the summer of 2022…
On May 21, one week before the Champions League final between Real Madrid and Liverpool in Paris, Mbappe communicated what was described by those closest to him as the most difficult decision he’d made in his career.
In a message that left him “heartbroken”, according to the same sources, Mbappe explained to Madrid president Florentino Perez that his desired transfer to the Spanish giants was not possible. He had chosen to renew with Paris Saint-Germain.
Mbappe’s decision was influenced by political pressure. High-ranking officials from Qatar and French president Emmanuel Macron were involved in talks over his new contract. Money also played a role and there is some contention around this subject.
People close to the striker, as well as the footballer himself in public, maintained and still maintain that he would have earned more at the Bernabeu. They say that Real Madrid, in a historic and unprecedented concession, offered Mbappe 100% ownership of his image rights, which PSG did not. Real Madrid, for their part, say they could never have matched anything PSG offered.
In Paris, there were celebrations as Mbappe posed with a shirt bearing the number 2025. But in reality, his contract extension was only until 2024, with an option to renew for one more season that only Mbappe can trigger.
The 2018 World Cup winner with France then tried to limit the damage caused among Madrid fans. He did not succeed, with supporters reacting angrily as he posted on Instagram: “I will be the first Real Madrid supporter in the Champions League final.”
The relationship between Perez and Fayza Lamari, Mbappe’s mother and agent, was practically broken. Perez felt betrayed, as he believed he had agreed the terms of Mbappe’s future contract as a Madrid player. Lamari had previously said they’d made it clear they were still talking to PSG and blamed Perez for leaking to the Spanish media that the signing was a done deal.
But there were other people involved in the negotiations who have always maintained the relationship is still alive. The objective is clear: if Mbappe were to decide to leave PSG, Real Madrid will be ready at the table.
In fact, that has been the club’s plan since Mbappe’s decision to stay with the French champions in May. And what happened in July reinforced this strategy.
Barely a month and a half after Mbappe’s renewal, he expressed discomfort to management about the direction in which PSG were heading, as confirmed to The Athletic by sources from both the player’s entourage and the French club, who asked to remain anonymous to protect their positions.
Mbappe wanted PSG to assemble a squad good enough to seriously compete for a Champions League title. The Parc des Princes leadership responded by appointing sporting director Luis Campos, who worked with Mbappe at Monaco and is described as his “footballing father”. Campos, in addition, brought in Christophe Galtier, a coach with whom Mbappe could work easily and who would be open to suggestions — both on transfer market strategy and football decisions.
The targets were a midfielder, Aurelien Tchouameni, who preferred to join Real Madrid; a striker, Robert Lewandowski, who joined Barcelona; and a centre-back, Milan Skriniar, who stayed at Inter Milan.
While rumours swirled about the renewals of Lionel Messi and Neymar, the signings did not materialise and relationships began to strain. The dynamic between Neymar and Mbappe especially has generated much discussion.
For example, Mbappe complained on Instagram and spoke to the media about being positioned as the club’s central striker (he prefers a more creative role on the left). He has also made some on-pitch gestures over not receiving the ball. Tensions reached such a point that, when asked about their relationship after playing for Brazil in a friendly against Ghana in Le Havre in September, Neymar replied “Pfff” and left the mixed zone.
In August, the two had argued over which of them should be PSG’s designated penalty taker, despite Galtier having already chosen Mbappe. Then, in mid-October, sources close to Mbappe claimed he had resolved to leave in the January transfer window.
They also explained that in July, Antero Henrique who works as a consultant at PSG, had opened the door for him to leave but not to Real Madrid. Any exit would have to be to Liverpool, with PSG president Nasser Al-Khelaifi and Henrique himself asking for €400million ($431m; £352m). Mbappe rejected that option.
Campos, the most solid link between Mbappe and PSG, knows Mbappe is not at ease. The forward is still directing all his efforts at continuing to perform on the pitch, but has told Campos he feels cheated.
Some voices within PSG say that since returning from the World Cup — where he underlined his stellar talent by winning the Golden Boot and scoring a stunning hat-trick as France lost in the final to Argentina on penalties — Mbappe is motivated and excited about the team’s direction. The fact he is playing more on the left wing now and less as a pivot has contributed to that.
A departure in January is not going to happen. And nor will it necessarily next summer — PSG have shown in the past they have no need to cash in on their prized assets.
But PSG are aware that Mbappe has by no means forgotten his dream of playing for Real Madrid and there has been tensions at times between club and player.
“The only club that can get him out of here is Real Madrid,” says a source from PSG, who spoke to The Athletic on condition of anonymity to protect their position.
“Nothing is impossible in football, but we could ask for €400m ($431m; £352m), or not even put a price on him,” the source said.
Madrid, for their part, remain reticent about any possible transfer. Their reasons are of course tied to the experience of last summer, but that doesn’t explain all of their thinking.
The Spanish club believe Mbappe’s current deal, and the influence he is afforded in PSG’s decision-making, means he is essentially unattainable for any other team. But if the situation were to change, if Mbappe were to return to being a normal player, Real Madrid have a plan in place and have the money ready.
They have worked hard on reducing costs as much as possible and in the past few years have been operating at a profit, thanks to a reduction in wages since the COVID-19 pandemic, income from their Champions League success and their shrewd work in the transfer market.
According to Transfermarkt, Real Madrid were up €12.15m ($13.1m; £10.7m) after player sales and purchases in the summer of 2022. They netted €47m ($50.7m; £42.9m) over the course of the 2021-22 season and €104.2m ($112.2m; £91.5m) over 2020-21. You have to go back to the season of 2019-20 to find a negative balance: €218.7m ($235.4m; £191.9m).
There is no guarantee in this story. How can there be when we so regularly see just how delicate and unpredictable the world of football transfers can be? Add in a player like Mbappe, clubs like PSG and Real Madrid, and that mix becomes all the more difficult to control.
Madrid, as is perhaps wise, are proceeding with caution — but they are proceeding. And however it ends, it will be entertaining along the way
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Re: REAL MADRID
por El Botones Sacarino Miér 18 Ene 2023 - 14:08
borope escribió:El Botones Sacarino escribió:Cuidado que Cortegana suele tirar buena información. Dicho esto, qué cansino me resulta lo de Mbappé. Menudo serial tío.
Aquí lo tienes
- :
Mario Cortegana
Jan 18, 2023
Real Madrid have not forgotten about Kylian Mbappe and Mbappe has most definitely not forgotten about Real Madrid.
From the outside, things might appear to be quite different. Madrid have talked down the prospect of signing the 24-year-old striker — both publicly and privately — because they do not want this topic to be in the media. After what happened with their failed attempts to sign Mbappe last summer, they are proceeding with caution.
But they have kept open more discrete channels of communication with the player and his entourage and, since the 2022 World Cup, there has been movement.
When asked by The Athletic, Mbappe’s representatives replied that they preferred not to comment on the subject. And a senior source at Madrid, who also asked to speak anonymously to protect their position, insist they have heard nothing from Mbappe since last summer.
The situation is far from clear. If we learned anything from the saga last summer, it is to expect plenty of twists, turns and versions of the truth.
What we do know is that it is a story that is far from over and we will try to inform you as things progress.
The Mbappe to Real Madrid saga is entering a new phase. To build a picture of what might happen next, we need to head back to Paris before the summer of 2022…
On May 21, one week before the Champions League final between Real Madrid and Liverpool in Paris, Mbappe communicated what was described by those closest to him as the most difficult decision he’d made in his career.
In a message that left him “heartbroken”, according to the same sources, Mbappe explained to Madrid president Florentino Perez that his desired transfer to the Spanish giants was not possible. He had chosen to renew with Paris Saint-Germain.
Mbappe’s decision was influenced by political pressure. High-ranking officials from Qatar and French president Emmanuel Macron were involved in talks over his new contract. Money also played a role and there is some contention around this subject.
People close to the striker, as well as the footballer himself in public, maintained and still maintain that he would have earned more at the Bernabeu. They say that Real Madrid, in a historic and unprecedented concession, offered Mbappe 100% ownership of his image rights, which PSG did not. Real Madrid, for their part, say they could never have matched anything PSG offered.
In Paris, there were celebrations as Mbappe posed with a shirt bearing the number 2025. But in reality, his contract extension was only until 2024, with an option to renew for one more season that only Mbappe can trigger.
The 2018 World Cup winner with France then tried to limit the damage caused among Madrid fans. He did not succeed, with supporters reacting angrily as he posted on Instagram: “I will be the first Real Madrid supporter in the Champions League final.”
The relationship between Perez and Fayza Lamari, Mbappe’s mother and agent, was practically broken. Perez felt betrayed, as he believed he had agreed the terms of Mbappe’s future contract as a Madrid player. Lamari had previously said they’d made it clear they were still talking to PSG and blamed Perez for leaking to the Spanish media that the signing was a done deal.
But there were other people involved in the negotiations who have always maintained the relationship is still alive. The objective is clear: if Mbappe were to decide to leave PSG, Real Madrid will be ready at the table.
In fact, that has been the club’s plan since Mbappe’s decision to stay with the French champions in May. And what happened in July reinforced this strategy.
Barely a month and a half after Mbappe’s renewal, he expressed discomfort to management about the direction in which PSG were heading, as confirmed to The Athletic by sources from both the player’s entourage and the French club, who asked to remain anonymous to protect their positions.
Mbappe wanted PSG to assemble a squad good enough to seriously compete for a Champions League title. The Parc des Princes leadership responded by appointing sporting director Luis Campos, who worked with Mbappe at Monaco and is described as his “footballing father”. Campos, in addition, brought in Christophe Galtier, a coach with whom Mbappe could work easily and who would be open to suggestions — both on transfer market strategy and football decisions.
The targets were a midfielder, Aurelien Tchouameni, who preferred to join Real Madrid; a striker, Robert Lewandowski, who joined Barcelona; and a centre-back, Milan Skriniar, who stayed at Inter Milan.
While rumours swirled about the renewals of Lionel Messi and Neymar, the signings did not materialise and relationships began to strain. The dynamic between Neymar and Mbappe especially has generated much discussion.
For example, Mbappe complained on Instagram and spoke to the media about being positioned as the club’s central striker (he prefers a more creative role on the left). He has also made some on-pitch gestures over not receiving the ball. Tensions reached such a point that, when asked about their relationship after playing for Brazil in a friendly against Ghana in Le Havre in September, Neymar replied “Pfff” and left the mixed zone.
In August, the two had argued over which of them should be PSG’s designated penalty taker, despite Galtier having already chosen Mbappe. Then, in mid-October, sources close to Mbappe claimed he had resolved to leave in the January transfer window.
They also explained that in July, Antero Henrique who works as a consultant at PSG, had opened the door for him to leave but not to Real Madrid. Any exit would have to be to Liverpool, with PSG president Nasser Al-Khelaifi and Henrique himself asking for €400million ($431m; £352m). Mbappe rejected that option.
Campos, the most solid link between Mbappe and PSG, knows Mbappe is not at ease. The forward is still directing all his efforts at continuing to perform on the pitch, but has told Campos he feels cheated.
Some voices within PSG say that since returning from the World Cup — where he underlined his stellar talent by winning the Golden Boot and scoring a stunning hat-trick as France lost in the final to Argentina on penalties — Mbappe is motivated and excited about the team’s direction. The fact he is playing more on the left wing now and less as a pivot has contributed to that.
A departure in January is not going to happen. And nor will it necessarily next summer — PSG have shown in the past they have no need to cash in on their prized assets.
But PSG are aware that Mbappe has by no means forgotten his dream of playing for Real Madrid and there has been tensions at times between club and player.
“The only club that can get him out of here is Real Madrid,” says a source from PSG, who spoke to The Athletic on condition of anonymity to protect their position.
“Nothing is impossible in football, but we could ask for €400m ($431m; £352m), or not even put a price on him,” the source said.
Madrid, for their part, remain reticent about any possible transfer. Their reasons are of course tied to the experience of last summer, but that doesn’t explain all of their thinking.
The Spanish club believe Mbappe’s current deal, and the influence he is afforded in PSG’s decision-making, means he is essentially unattainable for any other team. But if the situation were to change, if Mbappe were to return to being a normal player, Real Madrid have a plan in place and have the money ready.
They have worked hard on reducing costs as much as possible and in the past few years have been operating at a profit, thanks to a reduction in wages since the COVID-19 pandemic, income from their Champions League success and their shrewd work in the transfer market.
According to Transfermarkt, Real Madrid were up €12.15m ($13.1m; £10.7m) after player sales and purchases in the summer of 2022. They netted €47m ($50.7m; £42.9m) over the course of the 2021-22 season and €104.2m ($112.2m; £91.5m) over 2020-21. You have to go back to the season of 2019-20 to find a negative balance: €218.7m ($235.4m; £191.9m).
There is no guarantee in this story. How can there be when we so regularly see just how delicate and unpredictable the world of football transfers can be? Add in a player like Mbappe, clubs like PSG and Real Madrid, and that mix becomes all the more difficult to control.
Madrid, as is perhaps wise, are proceeding with caution — but they are proceeding. And however it ends, it will be entertaining along the way
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Re: REAL MADRID
por fundo1977 Miér 18 Ene 2023 - 14:09
Desde que llevamos los dos debatiendo esto... Q coñazo!!El Botones Sacarino escribió:Cuidado que Cortegana suele tirar buena información. Dicho esto, qué cansino me resulta lo de Mbappé. Menudo serial tío.
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Re: REAL MADRID
por Nomeko7 Miér 18 Ene 2023 - 14:21
El Botones Sacarino escribió:borope escribió:El Botones Sacarino escribió:Cuidado que Cortegana suele tirar buena información. Dicho esto, qué cansino me resulta lo de Mbappé. Menudo serial tío.
Aquí lo tienes
- :
Mario Cortegana
Jan 18, 2023
Real Madrid have not forgotten about Kylian Mbappe and Mbappe has most definitely not forgotten about Real Madrid.
From the outside, things might appear to be quite different. Madrid have talked down the prospect of signing the 24-year-old striker — both publicly and privately — because they do not want this topic to be in the media. After what happened with their failed attempts to sign Mbappe last summer, they are proceeding with caution.
But they have kept open more discrete channels of communication with the player and his entourage and, since the 2022 World Cup, there has been movement.
When asked by The Athletic, Mbappe’s representatives replied that they preferred not to comment on the subject. And a senior source at Madrid, who also asked to speak anonymously to protect their position, insist they have heard nothing from Mbappe since last summer.
The situation is far from clear. If we learned anything from the saga last summer, it is to expect plenty of twists, turns and versions of the truth.
What we do know is that it is a story that is far from over and we will try to inform you as things progress.
The Mbappe to Real Madrid saga is entering a new phase. To build a picture of what might happen next, we need to head back to Paris before the summer of 2022…
On May 21, one week before the Champions League final between Real Madrid and Liverpool in Paris, Mbappe communicated what was described by those closest to him as the most difficult decision he’d made in his career.
In a message that left him “heartbroken”, according to the same sources, Mbappe explained to Madrid president Florentino Perez that his desired transfer to the Spanish giants was not possible. He had chosen to renew with Paris Saint-Germain.
Mbappe’s decision was influenced by political pressure. High-ranking officials from Qatar and French president Emmanuel Macron were involved in talks over his new contract. Money also played a role and there is some contention around this subject.
People close to the striker, as well as the footballer himself in public, maintained and still maintain that he would have earned more at the Bernabeu. They say that Real Madrid, in a historic and unprecedented concession, offered Mbappe 100% ownership of his image rights, which PSG did not. Real Madrid, for their part, say they could never have matched anything PSG offered.
In Paris, there were celebrations as Mbappe posed with a shirt bearing the number 2025. But in reality, his contract extension was only until 2024, with an option to renew for one more season that only Mbappe can trigger.
The 2018 World Cup winner with France then tried to limit the damage caused among Madrid fans. He did not succeed, with supporters reacting angrily as he posted on Instagram: “I will be the first Real Madrid supporter in the Champions League final.”
The relationship between Perez and Fayza Lamari, Mbappe’s mother and agent, was practically broken. Perez felt betrayed, as he believed he had agreed the terms of Mbappe’s future contract as a Madrid player. Lamari had previously said they’d made it clear they were still talking to PSG and blamed Perez for leaking to the Spanish media that the signing was a done deal.
But there were other people involved in the negotiations who have always maintained the relationship is still alive. The objective is clear: if Mbappe were to decide to leave PSG, Real Madrid will be ready at the table.
In fact, that has been the club’s plan since Mbappe’s decision to stay with the French champions in May. And what happened in July reinforced this strategy.
Barely a month and a half after Mbappe’s renewal, he expressed discomfort to management about the direction in which PSG were heading, as confirmed to The Athletic by sources from both the player’s entourage and the French club, who asked to remain anonymous to protect their positions.
Mbappe wanted PSG to assemble a squad good enough to seriously compete for a Champions League title. The Parc des Princes leadership responded by appointing sporting director Luis Campos, who worked with Mbappe at Monaco and is described as his “footballing father”. Campos, in addition, brought in Christophe Galtier, a coach with whom Mbappe could work easily and who would be open to suggestions — both on transfer market strategy and football decisions.
The targets were a midfielder, Aurelien Tchouameni, who preferred to join Real Madrid; a striker, Robert Lewandowski, who joined Barcelona; and a centre-back, Milan Skriniar, who stayed at Inter Milan.
While rumours swirled about the renewals of Lionel Messi and Neymar, the signings did not materialise and relationships began to strain. The dynamic between Neymar and Mbappe especially has generated much discussion.
For example, Mbappe complained on Instagram and spoke to the media about being positioned as the club’s central striker (he prefers a more creative role on the left). He has also made some on-pitch gestures over not receiving the ball. Tensions reached such a point that, when asked about their relationship after playing for Brazil in a friendly against Ghana in Le Havre in September, Neymar replied “Pfff” and left the mixed zone.
In August, the two had argued over which of them should be PSG’s designated penalty taker, despite Galtier having already chosen Mbappe. Then, in mid-October, sources close to Mbappe claimed he had resolved to leave in the January transfer window.
They also explained that in July, Antero Henrique who works as a consultant at PSG, had opened the door for him to leave but not to Real Madrid. Any exit would have to be to Liverpool, with PSG president Nasser Al-Khelaifi and Henrique himself asking for €400million ($431m; £352m). Mbappe rejected that option.
Campos, the most solid link between Mbappe and PSG, knows Mbappe is not at ease. The forward is still directing all his efforts at continuing to perform on the pitch, but has told Campos he feels cheated.
Some voices within PSG say that since returning from the World Cup — where he underlined his stellar talent by winning the Golden Boot and scoring a stunning hat-trick as France lost in the final to Argentina on penalties — Mbappe is motivated and excited about the team’s direction. The fact he is playing more on the left wing now and less as a pivot has contributed to that.
A departure in January is not going to happen. And nor will it necessarily next summer — PSG have shown in the past they have no need to cash in on their prized assets.
But PSG are aware that Mbappe has by no means forgotten his dream of playing for Real Madrid and there has been tensions at times between club and player.
“The only club that can get him out of here is Real Madrid,” says a source from PSG, who spoke to The Athletic on condition of anonymity to protect their position.
“Nothing is impossible in football, but we could ask for €400m ($431m; £352m), or not even put a price on him,” the source said.
Madrid, for their part, remain reticent about any possible transfer. Their reasons are of course tied to the experience of last summer, but that doesn’t explain all of their thinking.
The Spanish club believe Mbappe’s current deal, and the influence he is afforded in PSG’s decision-making, means he is essentially unattainable for any other team. But if the situation were to change, if Mbappe were to return to being a normal player, Real Madrid have a plan in place and have the money ready.
They have worked hard on reducing costs as much as possible and in the past few years have been operating at a profit, thanks to a reduction in wages since the COVID-19 pandemic, income from their Champions League success and their shrewd work in the transfer market.
According to Transfermarkt, Real Madrid were up €12.15m ($13.1m; £10.7m) after player sales and purchases in the summer of 2022. They netted €47m ($50.7m; £42.9m) over the course of the 2021-22 season and €104.2m ($112.2m; £91.5m) over 2020-21. You have to go back to the season of 2019-20 to find a negative balance: €218.7m ($235.4m; £191.9m).
There is no guarantee in this story. How can there be when we so regularly see just how delicate and unpredictable the world of football transfers can be? Add in a player like Mbappe, clubs like PSG and Real Madrid, and that mix becomes all the more difficult to control.
Madrid, as is perhaps wise, are proceeding with caution — but they are proceeding. And however it ends, it will be entertaining along the way
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Re: REAL MADRID
por Johnny Kashmir Miér 18 Ene 2023 - 15:20
El Botones Sacarino escribió:Ladylog escribió:Si Carvajal no fuese el niño de la primera piedra de la Ciudad Deportiva hace años que estaría en el Numancia, el Ibiza o similar.
Venga hombre
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Re: REAL MADRID
por El Botones Sacarino Miér 18 Ene 2023 - 15:33
El otro día los chicos en autobús a Cáceres, hoy le toca a las chicas a Mérida. Vámonos pa´ Extremadura.
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Re: REAL MADRID
por Johnny Kashmir Miér 18 Ene 2023 - 17:44
Leo con agrado que Xabi Alonso ha sacado del descenso al Leverkusen y que ya miran para arriba.
Que siga así. Un año más con Ancelotti y yo creo que podríamos tener heredero
Que siga así. Un año más con Ancelotti y yo creo que podríamos tener heredero
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Re: REAL MADRID
por El Botones Sacarino Miér 18 Ene 2023 - 19:31
Memphis Depay al Atlético de Madrid.
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Re: REAL MADRID
por El Botones Sacarino Miér 18 Ene 2023 - 19:44
Lucas Vázquez: lesionado.
Carvajal: tocado.
Odriozola: recién salido de lesión.
¿Pondrá a Vinicius Tobias mañana en copa?
Carvajal: tocado.
Odriozola: recién salido de lesión.
¿Pondrá a Vinicius Tobias mañana en copa?
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Re: REAL MADRID
por El Botones Sacarino Miér 18 Ene 2023 - 19:58
A por el Villarreal.
Nah, en serio, ¿eliminados mañana?
Nah, en serio, ¿eliminados mañana?
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Re: REAL MADRID
por Polar Bear Miér 18 Ene 2023 - 20:09
Lo que hay es que salir a morder. Ya es hora de hacer un buen papel en la Copa.
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Re: REAL MADRID
por CloudStrife Miér 18 Ene 2023 - 20:10
Bastante obvio que si, mañana toca eliminación y crisis institucional de turno.
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Re: REAL MADRID
por El Botones Sacarino Miér 18 Ene 2023 - 20:20
CloudStrife escribió:Bastante obvio que si, mañana toca eliminación y crisis institucional de turno.
Cómo te conoces el protocolo, jodío.
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Re: REAL MADRID
por Polar Bear Miér 18 Ene 2023 - 20:24
Y la enésima vuelta de Zizou después de sus desavenencias con la federación francesa... 
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Re: REAL MADRID
por Nomeko7 Miér 18 Ene 2023 - 20:29
Polar Bear escribió:Y la enésima vuelta de Zizou después de sus desavenencias con la federación francesa...
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Re: REAL MADRID
por El Botones Sacarino Miér 18 Ene 2023 - 20:46
17 y 23 años, la portería está en buenas manos.
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Re: REAL MADRID
por El Botones Sacarino Miér 18 Ene 2023 - 20:47
Polar Bear escribió:Y la enésima vuelta de Zizou después de sus desavenencias con la federación francesa...
El redentor siempre regresa cuando más se le necesita, pfff. Nah, decían que a la selección brasileña, ¿no?
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Re: REAL MADRID
por Ladylog Jue 19 Ene 2023 - 11:43
Bueno, el año pasado yo queria ponerlo en la frontera la noche del 0-4. Estos baches suceden todas las temporadas, lo que pasa es que algunas veces el bacge abarca toda la temporadafundo1977 escribió:Va llegando la hora del "palo" al banquillo.
Lo grave es interrumpir la Liga para ir a jugar una supercopa con unas fechas, un formato y una sede demencial, sólo porque el Ruby y el Geri se lo venden a precio de oro a los de la sábana en la cabeza y en unas semanas volver a parar para ir a Marruecos a jugar otro tinglado hiperinflado que no te aporta nada pero te fuerza la temporada hasta el límite.
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Re: REAL MADRID
por borope Jue 19 Ene 2023 - 11:59
Que hoy palmamos lo saben hasta en Utah. (Por lo de Real Salt Lake)
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Re: REAL MADRID
por fundo1977 Jue 19 Ene 2023 - 12:01
No me refiero a eso pq el bajón de enero está planificado al igual q el año pasado. Es un riesgo y en un mes puedes perder la liga.Ladylog escribió:Bueno, el año pasado yo queria ponerlo en la frontera la noche del 0-4. Estos baches suceden todas las temporadas, lo que pasa es que algunas veces el bacge abarca toda la temporadafundo1977 escribió:Va llegando la hora del "palo" al banquillo.
Lo grave es interrumpir la Liga para ir a jugar una supercopa con unas fechas, un formato y una sede demencial, sólo porque el Ruby y el Geri se lo venden a precio de oro a los de la sábana en la cabeza y en unas semanas volver a parar para ir a Marruecos a jugar otro tinglado hiperinflado que no te aporta nada pero te fuerza la temporada hasta el límite.
Me refería a que igual ,como todo es cíclico, es el momento de volver a poner un entrenador de mano dura en el banquillo y centrar y cambiar actitudes a determinados jugadores. Ya sabes q cada "x" tiempo se necesita un "dictador"
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Re: REAL MADRID
por El Botones Sacarino Jue 19 Ene 2023 - 12:01
borope escribió:Que hoy palmamos lo saben hasta en Utah. (Por lo de Real Salt Lake)
Hasta los mormones, tío. Tan cierto.
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Re: REAL MADRID
por ruso Jue 19 Ene 2023 - 12:06
Yo creo que hoy pasáis con la gorra. Me sorprende que se os haya puesto este papel de víctimas.
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Re: REAL MADRID
por El Botones Sacarino Jue 19 Ene 2023 - 12:11
ruso escribió:Yo creo que hoy pasáis con la gorra. Me sorprende que se os haya puesto este papel de víctimas.
No es papel de víctimas es que nos conocemos la película, caer en copa a estas alturas no es nada raro.
Además, venimos de jugar un partido en Arabia, el Villarreal no jugó este fin de semana, ¿no?
Si a eso le sumamos que la plantilla es corta, miras al banquillo y es el horror...
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Re: REAL MADRID
por Ladylog Jue 19 Ene 2023 - 12:12
Doble Bad moon rising porque a las 6 nos zurran las culésCiclóncósmico escribió:Bad moon rising.
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Re: REAL MADRID
por R'as Kal Bhul Jue 19 Ene 2023 - 12:12
Y ya nos dieron un buen repaso en liga hace nada.
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Re: REAL MADRID
por El Botones Sacarino Jue 19 Ene 2023 - 12:15
R'as Kal Bhul escribió:Y ya nos dieron un buen repaso en liga hace nada.
Exacto, encima nos tocó uno de los rivales que peor se nos dan últimamente, no les ganamos desde hace unos años.
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Re: REAL MADRID
por Ladylog Jue 19 Ene 2023 - 12:15
¿Tuchel es de ese perfil?fundo1977 escribió:No me refiero a eso pq el bajón de enero está planificado al igual q el año pasado. Es un riesgo y en un mes puedes perder la liga.Ladylog escribió:Bueno, el año pasado yo queria ponerlo en la frontera la noche del 0-4. Estos baches suceden todas las temporadas, lo que pasa es que algunas veces el bacge abarca toda la temporadafundo1977 escribió:Va llegando la hora del "palo" al banquillo.
Lo grave es interrumpir la Liga para ir a jugar una supercopa con unas fechas, un formato y una sede demencial, sólo porque el Ruby y el Geri se lo venden a precio de oro a los de la sábana en la cabeza y en unas semanas volver a parar para ir a Marruecos a jugar otro tinglado hiperinflado que no te aporta nada pero te fuerza la temporada hasta el límite.
Me refería a que igual ,como todo es cíclico, es el momento de volver a poner un entrenador de mano dura en el banquillo y centrar y cambiar actitudes a determinados jugadores. Ya sabes q cada "x" tiempo se necesita un "dictador"
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Re: REAL MADRID
por Rikileaks Jue 19 Ene 2023 - 12:22
El Botones Sacarino escribió:ruso escribió:Yo creo que hoy pasáis con la gorra. Me sorprende que se os haya puesto este papel de víctimas.
No es papel de víctimas es que nos conocemos la película, caer en copa a estas alturas no es nada raro.
Además, venimos de jugar un partido en Arabia, el Villarreal no jugó este fin de semana, ¿no?
Si a eso le sumamos que la plantilla es corta, miras al banquillo y es el horror...
Empató en Vigo
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Re: REAL MADRID
por El Botones Sacarino Jue 19 Ene 2023 - 12:24
Rikileaks escribió:El Botones Sacarino escribió:ruso escribió:Yo creo que hoy pasáis con la gorra. Me sorprende que se os haya puesto este papel de víctimas.
No es papel de víctimas es que nos conocemos la película, caer en copa a estas alturas no es nada raro.
Además, venimos de jugar un partido en Arabia, el Villarreal no jugó este fin de semana, ¿no?
Si a eso le sumamos que la plantilla es corta, miras al banquillo y es el horror...
Empató en Vigo
Ahhh, vale, vale.
Bueno, se iguala un poco más la cosa.
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Re: REAL MADRID
por El Botones Sacarino Jue 19 Ene 2023 - 12:25
Entonces, Madrid y Barcelona tienen un partido menos de liga respecto al resto, menos los rivales de la pasada jornada. ¿Cuándo recuperan dicha jornada?
Bueno, y Betis y Valencia.
Bueno, y Betis y Valencia.
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Re: REAL MADRID
por fundo1977 Jue 19 Ene 2023 - 12:38
Creo que sí.Ladylog escribió:¿Tuchel es de ese perfil?fundo1977 escribió:No me refiero a eso pq el bajón de enero está planificado al igual q el año pasado. Es un riesgo y en un mes puedes perder la liga.Ladylog escribió:Bueno, el año pasado yo queria ponerlo en la frontera la noche del 0-4. Estos baches suceden todas las temporadas, lo que pasa es que algunas veces el bacge abarca toda la temporadafundo1977 escribió:Va llegando la hora del "palo" al banquillo.
Lo grave es interrumpir la Liga para ir a jugar una supercopa con unas fechas, un formato y una sede demencial, sólo porque el Ruby y el Geri se lo venden a precio de oro a los de la sábana en la cabeza y en unas semanas volver a parar para ir a Marruecos a jugar otro tinglado hiperinflado que no te aporta nada pero te fuerza la temporada hasta el límite.
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Re: REAL MADRID
por Fridge Jue 19 Ene 2023 - 12:40
Pues si me dan a elegir entre los partidos de hoy y el domingo firmo que el resultado bueno se dé en la liga. La lógica indica que ganando hoy y pinchando el domingo se sigue vivo en dos competiciones, pero el Madrid no va a ganar la copa y la copa supone saturación de partidos en el caso de pasar ronda de Champions -que por supuesto a día de hoy se ve crudo crudísimo-.
La cosa es que el club tiene que estar por encima de la histeria y el ruido. Y que, en mi opinión, si realmente la Copa es un peón a sacrificar -no estamos en el primer año de Mourinho donde con buen criterio se fijó como un objetivo que resultó ser crucial para crecer y ganar la siguiente liga- debería ser un torneo donde ir fogueando a piezas futuribles (para el primer equipo o para ventas). Pero la dirección deportiva es la que sabe de esto.
Es utópico esperar un Madrid como el de septiembre-octubre pero no tanto considerar viable recuperar ese tono en la primavera y que entonces se empleen de nuevo los batidos de Pintus.
Y en lo táctico, seguramente aconsejable una cosa más cercana al unocerismo de la última liga de Zidane, pero, de nuevo, es la dirección deportiva la que sabe de esto.
La cosa es que el club tiene que estar por encima de la histeria y el ruido. Y que, en mi opinión, si realmente la Copa es un peón a sacrificar -no estamos en el primer año de Mourinho donde con buen criterio se fijó como un objetivo que resultó ser crucial para crecer y ganar la siguiente liga- debería ser un torneo donde ir fogueando a piezas futuribles (para el primer equipo o para ventas). Pero la dirección deportiva es la que sabe de esto.
Es utópico esperar un Madrid como el de septiembre-octubre pero no tanto considerar viable recuperar ese tono en la primavera y que entonces se empleen de nuevo los batidos de Pintus.
Y en lo táctico, seguramente aconsejable una cosa más cercana al unocerismo de la última liga de Zidane, pero, de nuevo, es la dirección deportiva la que sabe de esto.
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Re: REAL MADRID
por Rikileaks Jue 19 Ene 2023 - 13:02
El Botones Sacarino escribió:Entonces, Madrid y Barcelona tienen un partido menos de liga respecto al resto, menos los rivales de la pasada jornada. ¿Cuándo recuperan dicha jornada?
Bueno, y Betis y Valencia.
La semana que viene no, la siguiente
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Re: REAL MADRID
por El Botones Sacarino Jue 19 Ene 2023 - 13:15
Fridge escribió:Pues si me dan a elegir entre los partidos de hoy y el domingo firmo que el resultado bueno se dé en la liga. La lógica indica que ganando hoy y pinchando el domingo se sigue vivo en dos competiciones, pero el Madrid no va a ganar la copa y la copa supone saturación de partidos en el caso de pasar ronda de Champions -que por supuesto a día de hoy se ve crudo crudísimo-.
La cosa es que el club tiene que estar por encima de la histeria y el ruido. Y que, en mi opinión, si realmente la Copa es un peón a sacrificar -no estamos en el primer año de Mourinho donde con buen criterio se fijó como un objetivo que resultó ser crucial para crecer y ganar la siguiente liga- debería ser un torneo donde ir fogueando a piezas futuribles (para el primer equipo o para ventas). Pero la dirección deportiva es la que sabe de esto.
Es utópico esperar un Madrid como el de septiembre-octubre pero no tanto considerar viable recuperar ese tono en la primavera y que entonces se empleen de nuevo los batidos de Pintus.
Y en lo táctico, seguramente aconsejable una cosa más cercana al unocerismo de la última liga de Zidane, pero, de nuevo, es la dirección deportiva la que sabe de esto.
En la práctica no está pasando eso. En Cáceres puso a Rodrygo de delantero centro y a Hazard de extremo izquierdo cuando la lógica decía poner a Álvaro de delantero centro y Rodrygo de extremo izquierdo. En el descanso metió a Valverde, cambio que no entendí, tal como estaba el terreno de juego había riesgo de lesión, en vez de poner a Arribas o Nico Paz. Y lo mismo se puede decir de Odriozola, de lateral izquierdo, vaya invento.
Que yo entiendo que los entrenadores se juegan las habichuelas y Carletto es conservador y de jerarquías, pero ni la Copa contra un equipo de Segunda Federación le sirve para hacer probaturas.
Que yo entiendo que los entrenadores se juegan las habichuelas y Carletto es conservador y de jerarquías, pero ni la Copa contra un equipo de Segunda Federación le sirve para hacer probaturas.
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Re: REAL MADRID
por El Botones Sacarino Jue 19 Ene 2023 - 13:16
Rikileaks escribió:El Botones Sacarino escribió:Entonces, Madrid y Barcelona tienen un partido menos de liga respecto al resto, menos los rivales de la pasada jornada. ¿Cuándo recuperan dicha jornada?
Bueno, y Betis y Valencia.
La semana que viene no, la siguiente
Ok.
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Re: REAL MADRID
por Cantoná Jue 19 Ene 2023 - 13:25
Pasáis pero espero que no. Obviamente 
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De todas formas ésta plantilla ha ido tapando sus carencias con esos títulos que se ganan de esa manera, por llamarlo de alguna firma, una de cada "x" mil veces...
.De todas formas ésta plantilla ha ido tapando sus carencias con esos títulos que se ganan de esa manera, por llamarlo de alguna firma, una de cada "x" mil veces...
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Re: REAL MADRID
por Shiro_himura Jue 19 Ene 2023 - 13:37
Deberiamos ganar pero tal y como estan ultimamente.....
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Re: REAL MADRID
por El Botones Sacarino Jue 19 Ene 2023 - 15:52
Ras, ¿no decías que era feo? Pues míralo posando en plan modelo.
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Re: REAL MADRID
por Nomeko7 Jue 19 Ene 2023 - 16:15
Me recuerda a Carlos II.El Botones Sacarino escribió:Ras, ¿no decías que era feo? Pues míralo posando en plan modelo.
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