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¿Alguna respuesta a lo del palo de Eko?

"Levanta tus ojos y mira al norte John (Juan) 3:05".

joder, si casi nos olvidamos de que tenemos la Lostpedia!

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Eko's_stick/Theories

JOHN 3:05JOHN 3:05 may refer to Station 3 (The Swan) and Station 5 (The Pearl). According to the blast door map, Station 5 is directly north of Station 3. This coincides with the verse written on the stick saying "lift up your eyes and look north".
JOHN 3:05 was indicating to John that North was actually at heading 305.
That would be better described as "West". 0°/360° is north, by definition.
If you only defie North as 0°/360°, then West would only be 270°. There are alot of degrees between them. 305° is Northwest.
West North West. Certainly it's more west than north. There's no sensible way to say that this bearing is "north", other than in the trivila sense that it occurs on the top half of the compass.
Exactly. Top half of the compass. Remembering that this is a show about polarity and opposites. Life/Death, Light/Dark....North/South. Basically it's an invocation for John to go onto the 'other' side of the Island, to the unknown.

3:05 refers to the episode in which Eko was killed by The Monster (The Cost of Living, season three, episode five)
If John would "look north" as written by Eko, he could see the Hydra Island, as suggested by Jonah Adkins island study map.
The imperative to John to look north was carved by Desmond as a clue from/about the future, without Desmond himself having to give away his knowledge about future events.
Besides being a biblical allusion, it could also reference a line from Samuel Beckett's play Happy Days; Winnie says "LIft up your eyes to me, Willie, and tell me can you see me..." Taking this as true suggests something is hidden to the north and suggests an absurdist theme in the show, one which can be found easily by many viewers.
The bearing used by the Freighters to get to and from the Island was 305. This could be foreshadowing or a message to John about the nature of the Island.
John Locke wouldn't need to know how to leave the Island, since he doesn't want to leave.
But he does need to know how to get to The Others/ Jacob
The message is not intended to tell Locke how to leave the island. Rather, it is to warn Locke that danger is coming to the island from a bearing of 305 -- Widmore's boat.
The significance of John 3:05 on Eko's stick was mere coincidence, and Locke read into it far more than is actually there. As Freud would say, sometimes a stick is just a stick.
There's obviously more to it, otherwise both of the Bible references would have been standardised. ie- The stick would read "Lift up your eyes and look North, South, East and West. John 3:5". It does not. It is also odd that Mr Eko, A Christian, would choose such a fundamental Jewish passage to carve on his stick.
Plus, nothing is a coincidence on this show.
Not true: there are lots of coincidences on this show. Do not mistake coincidence for fate.
The explanation for the apparent message to Locke on Eko's stick depends on when that particular carving was made. If it was made after the events of The 23rd Psalm, it could be that Eko was transcribing a message which was transmitted to him by the monster during their confrontation in that episode. The suggestion during the scene featuring the monster was that the monster was in some sense "downloading" information from Eko's memory, but it could be that information was in fact flowing both ways. Like someone acting under the influence of hypnotic suggestion, Eko could have carved those words on his stick without really understanding what he was doing or why he was doing it. Furthermore, far from being an instruction to John to travel north on a bearing of 305, the message could be a warning to John that danger is coming to the island from that direction (namely, Widmore's boat). The monster (and therefore, possibly, the island itself) was using Eko as a messenger: it had identified Locke as the saviour of the island, but could not communicate with him directly because he was at that time spending most of his time in the Swan. Why it chooses Eko as its messenger is uncertain.
there is a strange link between the numbers 3:05 and The Numbers;
4 is the average of 3 and 5, 8 is the sum of 3 and 5, 15 is the product of 3 and 5, 16 is the sum, then doubled.


hala, para qué querremos una o dos teorías cuando podemos tener tropocientas!

Porque algunos no tenemos ganas de leer ese ladrillo, no tenemos ganas de leer en francés y queremos crear nuestras propias teorias...

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KIM_BACALAO escribió:

Rizzy escribió:Y ya que estais con referencias bíblicas...

¿Alguna respuesta a lo del palo de Eko?

"Levanta tus ojos y mira al norte John (Juan) 3:05".

joder, si casi nos olvidamos de que tenemos la Lostpedia!

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Eko's_stick/Theories

JOHN 3:05JOHN 3:05 may refer to Station 3 (The Swan) and Station 5 (The Pearl). According to the blast door map, Station 5 is directly north of Station 3. This coincides with the verse written on the stick saying "lift up your eyes and look north".
JOHN 3:05 was indicating to John that North was actually at heading 305.
That would be better described as "West". 0°/360° is north, by definition.
If you only defie North as 0°/360°, then West would only be 270°. There are alot of degrees between them. 305° is Northwest.
West North West. Certainly it's more west than north. There's no sensible way to say that this bearing is "north", other than in the trivila sense that it occurs on the top half of the compass.
Exactly. Top half of the compass. Remembering that this is a show about polarity and opposites. Life/Death, Light/Dark....North/South. Basically it's an invocation for John to go onto the 'other' side of the Island, to the unknown.

3:05 refers to the episode in which Eko was killed by The Monster (The Cost of Living, season three, episode five)
If John would "look north" as written by Eko, he could see the Hydra Island, as suggested by Jonah Adkins island study map.
The imperative to John to look north was carved by Desmond as a clue from/about the future, without Desmond himself having to give away his knowledge about future events.
Besides being a biblical allusion, it could also reference a line from Samuel Beckett's play Happy Days; Winnie says "LIft up your eyes to me, Willie, and tell me can you see me..." Taking this as true suggests something is hidden to the north and suggests an absurdist theme in the show, one which can be found easily by many viewers.
The bearing used by the Freighters to get to and from the Island was 305. This could be foreshadowing or a message to John about the nature of the Island.
John Locke wouldn't need to know how to leave the Island, since he doesn't want to leave.
But he does need to know how to get to The Others/ Jacob
The message is not intended to tell Locke how to leave the island. Rather, it is to warn Locke that danger is coming to the island from a bearing of 305 -- Widmore's boat.
The significance of John 3:05 on Eko's stick was mere coincidence, and Locke read into it far more than is actually there. As Freud would say, sometimes a stick is just a stick.
There's obviously more to it, otherwise both of the Bible references would have been standardised. ie- The stick would read "Lift up your eyes and look North, South, East and West. John 3:5". It does not. It is also odd that Mr Eko, A Christian, would choose such a fundamental Jewish passage to carve on his stick.
Plus, nothing is a coincidence on this show.
Not true: there are lots of coincidences on this show. Do not mistake coincidence for fate.
The explanation for the apparent message to Locke on Eko's stick depends on when that particular carving was made. If it was made after the events of The 23rd Psalm, it could be that Eko was transcribing a message which was transmitted to him by the monster during their confrontation in that episode. The suggestion during the scene featuring the monster was that the monster was in some sense "downloading" information from Eko's memory, but it could be that information was in fact flowing both ways. Like someone acting under the influence of hypnotic suggestion, Eko could have carved those words on his stick without really understanding what he was doing or why he was doing it. Furthermore, far from being an instruction to John to travel north on a bearing of 305, the message could be a warning to John that danger is coming to the island from that direction (namely, Widmore's boat). The monster (and therefore, possibly, the island itself) was using Eko as a messenger: it had identified Locke as the saviour of the island, but could not communicate with him directly because he was at that time spending most of his time in the Swan. Why it chooses Eko as its messenger is uncertain.
there is a strange link between the numbers 3:05 and The Numbers;
4 is the average of 3 and 5, 8 is the sum of 3 and 5, 15 is the product of 3 and 5, 16 is the sum, then doubled.


hala, para qué querremos una o dos teorías cuando podemos tener tropocientas!

Porque algunos no tenemos ganas de leer ese ladrillo, no tenemos ganas de leer en francés y queremos crear nuestras propias teorias...

yo me quedaría con lo que he marcado...

Steve Trumbo escribió:Bueno tíos, yo me voy a dar una vuelta por ahí o reviento aquí

Boohan, si tú quieres, pelillos a la mar tío.

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Rizzy escribió:Y ya que estais con referencias bíblicas...

¿Alguna respuesta a lo del palo de Eko?

"Levanta tus ojos y mira al norte John (Juan) 3:05".

Fue llamado el "Palo de Jesús" por Charlie. Lo hizo Eko con una rama marcando en él varias escrituras de La Biblia, una pequeña cruz, y Los Números. Al ser preguntado qué escribía, dice, "Cosas que necesito recordar."
Después de la implosión, el palo de Eko caede un árbol, que por poco golpea a Locke.
Locke usa el palo como marca de la tumba.

¿De donde crees que he copiado la cita biblica?

Boohan escribió:

Steve Trumbo escribió:Bueno tíos, yo me voy a dar una vuelta por ahí o reviento aquí

Boohan, si tú quieres, pelillos a la mar tío.

Ha sido un calentón, pero es que se os fue un poco de las manos y yo estaba hiperemocionado con el final vivido.
Y a eso lo sumas a otras cosas, y... salta todo el elecromagnetismo!
Además ni me dejasteis hablar, de golpe empezasteis a mofaros... ya ves que todos tenemos las mismas dudas...
... y luego cada uno ve sus propias soluciones a esas dudas.

Además ya te has dado cuenta que no te he ignorado en ningún momento, hombre.

Bettie escribió:De qué chinorri habláis Jin o Miles?

KIM_BACALAO escribió:there is a strange link between the numbers 3:05 and The Numbers;
4 is the average of 3 and 5, 8 is the sum of 3 and 5, 15 is the product of 3 and 5, 16 is the sum, then doubled.

Rizzy escribió:

KIM_BACALAO escribió:there is a strange link between the numbers 3:05 and The Numbers;
4 is the average of 3 and 5, 8 is the sum of 3 and 5, 15 is the product of 3 and 5, 16 is the sum, then doubled.

Usease, que los números están directamente relacionados con la biblia...

Al final resultará que el musulman (Sayid) es Jesucristo, por eso de la resurreción

Rizzy escribió:Y por Dio! Que alguien le él título al topic.

Llegará el día que estrenen el spinoff y el título seguirá ahí

Rizzy escribió:Y por Dio! Que alguien le él título al topic.

Llegará el día que estrenen el spinoff y el título seguirá ahí

Bettie escribió:

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Bettie escribió:La Escalera de Jacob es una escalera mencionada en la Biblia (Génesis 28:11-19), por la que los ángeles ascendían y descendían del cielo. Fue vista por el patriarca Jacob durante un sueño, tras su huida por su enfrentamiento con su hermano Esaú

es es buena, claro
pero es difícil distinguir el homenaje (hay tantos en la serie, Locke, Faraday, etc) de la pista... de hecho puede ser las dos cosas y ser una forma de los guionistas de excitar la imaginación de los Lostólogos...

No se si salió por aquí o en otro lado:

Cristian Shephard=Pastor Cristiano

Aunque falla una letra del apellido (Pastor=Shepherd), pero lo veo muy evidente. Y más viendo el final