La invasión rusa de Ucrania de 2022. Vol. 14

Langarica escribió:Vaya hostiazo se están pegando los rusos, no?

terremoto73 escribió:

Godofredo escribió:

Langarica escribió:Vaya hostiazo se están pegando los rusos, no?

Empieza a oler a castillo de naipes.

eso decia ayer el periodista Manu Brabo,en el Correo hoy rebajan mucho el optimismo

Steve Trumbo escribió:

terremoto73 escribió:

Godofredo escribió:

Langarica escribió:Vaya hostiazo se están pegando los rusos, no?

Empieza a oler a castillo de naipes.

eso decia ayer el periodista Manu Brabo,en el Correo hoy rebajan mucho el optimismo

Ánimo

Steve Trumbo escribió:

terremoto73 escribió:

Godofredo escribió:

Langarica escribió:Vaya hostiazo se están pegando los rusos, no?

Empieza a oler a castillo de naipes.

eso decia ayer el periodista Manu Brabo,en el Correo hoy rebajan mucho el optimismo

Ánimo

terremoto73 escribió:

Steve Trumbo escribió:

terremoto73 escribió:

Godofredo escribió:

Langarica escribió:Vaya hostiazo se están pegando los rusos, no?

Empieza a oler a castillo de naipes.

eso decia ayer el periodista Manu Brabo,en el Correo hoy rebajan mucho el optimismo

Ánimo

y Ucrania se suma a la candidatura iberica del Mundial 2030,todo son good news

terremoto73 escribió:

Steve Trumbo escribió:

terremoto73 escribió:

Godofredo escribió:

Langarica escribió:Vaya hostiazo se están pegando los rusos, no?

Empieza a oler a castillo de naipes.

eso decia ayer el periodista Manu Brabo,en el Correo hoy rebajan mucho el optimismo

Ánimo

y Ucrania se suma a la candidatura iberica del Mundial 2030,todo son good news

pantxo escribió:Se les regala armas, Eurovision, el mundial...
Y todavia se queja el puto Emilio Aragon...

terremoto73 escribió:

Steve Trumbo escribió:

terremoto73 escribió:

Godofredo escribió:

Langarica escribió:Vaya hostiazo se están pegando los rusos, no?

Empieza a oler a castillo de naipes.

eso decia ayer el periodista Manu Brabo,en el Correo hoy rebajan mucho el optimismo

Ánimo

y Ucrania se suma a la candidatura iberica del Mundial 2030,todo son good news

terremoto73 escribió:Zelensky pide a la OTAN ataques preventivos contra Rusia,¿se ha pasado o bien?

Almost as bad is the chorus of cries to open negotiations, because “sober adults think about [the] world as it is,” as William Ruger of the American Institute for Economic Research put it. “Putin is more in a corner than anyone would like him to be, because that’s not good for anybody,” John Kerry, the current special presidential envoy for climate who cannot help but remind listeners that he is a former secretary of state, recently said. And thus, of course, he urges negotiations on current Secretary of State Antony Blinken and National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan. So too does Pope Francis. So too do many well-educated observers who do not trouble to think hard about what lies behind the well-orchestrated pronouncements from Moscow.

To be sure, underlying the Russian threats is a stream of Russian paranoia about the West, which finds expression in all kinds of wild claims about satanism, the abolition of gender, and plans to turn Russians into soulless slaves. To the extent that this paranoia is not purely synthetic, it draws on a deep well of Russian ambivalence about the West—resentment and fear of it, a sense of inferiority toward it, and yet a deep awareness of its allure, which is why even Russia’s current leaders have sent their children west to be educated, their mistresses west to luxuriate, and their billions in loot west to be safe.

To yield to nuclear blackmail, however, would be folly. Give in now, and anyone with nuclear weapons will learn that the secret to success in a negotiation is to froth at the mouth, roll up one’s eyes, and threaten a mushroom cloud. To yield to Putin would be, as Churchill said in a different but not entirely dissimilar context, to take “but the first sip from a bitter cup.” What then to do, and to threaten to do, particularly if Russia does indeed detonate one or more nuclear weapons, either as a signal or against some Ukrainian target?

Finally, diplomacy does indeed have a role to play here—but most definitely not in compelling Ukraine into a negotiation it abhors while a brutal invader occupies its lands. The diplomatic option consists rather in reminding key Russian leaders that should Moscow use nuclear weapons, it will soon see them sprouting in self-defense in Poland, Turkey, Kazakhstan, and quite likely Finland and other countries. That will not make Russia safer or stronger.

China has a stake in this, too: A world in which the nuclear taboo is broken is one in which Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea may feel that they need the security of their own nuclear deterrents. India, facing a Pakistan that may have more nuclear weapons than it does, and whose politics are terrifyingly unstable, has no interest in seeing nuclear use become acceptable. Those who can still talk to Moscow should be urged to convey that message to Russia’s leadership—if they are not, in fact, doing so already.

terremoto73 escribió:mucha alegria y desenfreno entre corresponsales por lo del puente de Crimea.asi son las cosas y asi se las hemos contado

millino escribió:

terremoto73 escribió:mucha alegria y desenfreno entre corresponsales por lo del puente de Crimea.asi son las cosas y asi se las hemos contado

No te creas todo lo que lees

Oker escribió:https://twitter.com/evoespueblo/status/1578423391828049924?s=20&t=XjvXFpSdU4G2U6r2yVD7fA
Los planetas paralelos.

caniplaywithrainbows escribió:

Oker escribió:https://twitter.com/evoespueblo/status/1578423391828049924?s=20&t=XjvXFpSdU4G2U6r2yVD7fA
Los planetas paralelos.

''El enemigo de mi enemigo es mi amigo'' o algo así.

Oker escribió:

caniplaywithrainbows escribió:

Oker escribió:https://twitter.com/evoespueblo/status/1578423391828049924?s=20&t=XjvXFpSdU4G2U6r2yVD7fA
Los planetas paralelos.

''El enemigo de mi enemigo es mi amigo'' o algo así.

Antiimperialista dice, delirante es poco.

pantxo escribió:Ayer el cumple de Vladimiro y le jodeis un puente?
Le vais a enfadar...

pantxo escribió:Ayer el cumple de Vladimiro y le jodeis un puente?
Le vais a enfadar...

scabbed wings escribió:Y el animatronic Yankee hablando de armaggedon. Espero que fuera de la peli

Eloy escribió:El interven-sionismo

Qué bien traído

loaded escribió:

https://twitter.com/OleksiyDanilov/status/1578636142055870464

Brutal tuit.

Dani escribió:

millino escribió:

terremoto73 escribió:mucha alegria y desenfreno entre corresponsales por lo del puente de Crimea.asi son las cosas y asi se las hemos contado

No te creas todo lo que lees

Aquí estamos destrozados.

Steve Trumbo escribió:

Dani escribió:

millino escribió:

terremoto73 escribió:mucha alegria y desenfreno entre corresponsales por lo del puente de Crimea.asi son las cosas y asi se las hemos contado

No te creas todo lo que lees

Aquí estamos destrozados.

Yo estoy bien jodido

Langarica escribió:

loaded escribió:

https://twitter.com/OleksiyDanilov/status/1578636142055870464

Brutal tuit.

Es un alto cargo ucraniano de Defensa.
Van con la chorra fuera

A new piece of street art in a Tbilisi underpass is a play on the classic Soviet "The Motherland Calls" poster from World War II. But instead of holding the military oath as in the original, the woman is clutching a Georgian khinkali dumpling. And instead of the patriotic slogan, the caption now reads, "Hurry, or it will get cold."

As thousands more Russians again pour into Georgia – this time, escaping their country’s mass military mobilization for the war in Ukraine – Georgians are greeting them with characteristic irony.

The humor, though, has been mixed with more emotions as Georgians struggle to come to terms with how to think about the influx, let alone what to do about it.

As a country that has suffered much at the hands of Moscow, and today remains in open conflict with the Kremlin, Georgia has struggled to figure out what to call these new arrivals; attempts have ranged from "refugees" and "deserters" to "tourists" or "occupiers." And the phenomenon of their arrival is also imagined variously, from a security issue to an ethical responsibility to a moral dilemma.

"It would be wrong for us to close the border to Russians," prominent TV anchor Merab Metreveli wrote on Facebook, arguing that if Georgians were faced with similar circumstances, they also would be trying to flee. "But it would be also wrong to let in everybody in an uncontrolled way. What is the way out?" he asked.

The first instinct of Georgia’s government, though, was not to define things at all.

"These people, ethnic Russians, have been arriving in Georgia for years. Does it have to become a problem now?" Interior Minister Vakhtang Gomelauri told reporters on Sept. 27.

As public concern mounted, however, ignoring the problem was no longer viable and the authorities have begun to offer more data and clarity on the issue.

Official numbers released at the end of September showed a sharp rise in Russians entering the country following the mobilization announcement on Sept. 21, with a net of 5,000-6,000 entering daily during the following week.

By Sept. 30, though, the numbers had returned to normal. That was attributable at least in part to the fact that officials in North Ossetia, the Russian republic on the one border crossing with Georgia, on Sept. 28 reported halting in-bound car traffic and tightening restrictions on men subject to mobilization trying to leave the country.

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Based on the official data, then, somewhere north of 20,000 people have joined the already large community of Russians who moved to Georgia in the wake of the war in Ukraine.

They came in distinct waves: first, in the immediate aftermath of the invasion, politically minded Russians and those whose businesses were hit by sanctions flocked in. Then in the summer, Russian tourists – no longer bound by Covid restrictions and with fewer vacation options as a result of the war – came in numbers rivaling those in the pre-pandemic years.

Now, as fall arrives and the tourist waves have receded, Georgia is experiencing the third wave.

The exact number of Russians who came to stay in Georgia prior to mobilization has been a matter of dispute, with estimates varying from 20,000 to more than 40,000. On top of that, Georgia is sheltering around 15,000 Belarusians plus an estimated 30,000 Ukrainians who have fled the war. The most noticeable effect of the influx has been skyrocketing rents, as landlords seek to take advantage of the rising demand.

"It will be a heavy burden for the social fabric of the country and also for the budget of our small country," Nikoloz Samkharadze, the head of the Georgian Parliament’s foreign relations committee, told CNN on Sept. 29, in a rare acknowledgment by a Georgian official of the complexity of the situation.

Describing a "moral dilemma," Samkharadze said closing the border was not an option "because that would be in favor of Putin, because he wants to mobilize these people and send them to fight in Ukraine."

Many in Georgia, particularly in the political opposition, had proposed closing the border in response to perceived economic or security threats the new arrivals may pose.

The opposition party Lelo for Georgia suggested a special entry regime for "citizens of the country carrying out a military occupation" (Russia bases troops inside Georgia’s two breakaway territories, Abkhazia and South Ossetia). The proposed special regime envisaged issuing short-term visas (as opposed to the current one-year, visa-free entry policy) at the border and demanding written confirmation that the entrant recognizes the "Russian occupation" and Georgia’s territorial integrity.

For its part the United National Movement, Georgia’s largest opposition party, proposed that Russians entering Georgia pay an “occupation tax” of 1,000 lari (about $350).

Others, though, called for cooler heads to prevail and to recognize that the young men arriving in Georgia are trying to escape Russia and the war.

"Russians run from Russia to not get killed for Russia and not to turn into killers for Russia!" Lasha Bugadze, a prominent Georgian writer, wrote on Facebook on Sept. 30, warning against letting fear and paranoia dictate Georgian policy.

"However many more of them are to arrive, remember that they are fleeing!" he wrote.

TBILISI, Georgia — “The world should stop Russian aggression,” reads a poster on the wall of a bar in this South Caucasus nation that has become home to tens of thousands of Russian emigres since the invasion of Ukraine.

“Russians who are coming to Georgia should never forget they are coming to a place that is under attack from their country,” said Data Lapauri, the owner of Dedaena bar.

For many Georgians, the Kremlin’s invasion of neighboring Ukraine has revived painful memories of the 2008 Russo-Georgian war and the support Moscow offers to Georgia’s breakaway regions. At the same time, a flood of anti-war Russians fearing conscription, economic crisis and a political crackdown back home have become a noticeable presence on the streets of the Georgian capital Tbilisi.

While most Georgians have no problems with the new Russian community, some tensions continue to bubble up as the six-month-long war in Ukraine shows no sign of ending.

In one sign of friction, a few Georgian business owners have started requiring Russian customers to confirm they don’t support President Vladimir Putin — verbally or in writing.

Dedaena is one of the establishments to have implemented what they term a “visa policy.”

Russian citizens who want to enter the bar must fill in an online form and agree to a list of statements, such as “I condemn Russian aggression in Ukraine.”

Visitors are also asked not to speak in Russian or “engage in political discussions while being drunk,” according to the online form.

“It’s an extreme policy to say that people of a certain nation are not welcomed here. But I don’t want to have someone who supports the war in Ukraine and voted for Putin at the bar that I own. We don’t want to serve the occupiers,” Lapauri told The Moscow Times, sitting on the bar’s terrace on a busy Thursday night.

Other cases of Georgian business making special demands of Russians include Bank of Georgia, which briefly asked Russians to sign a form in March saying that they “condemn Russia’s aggression in Georgia and Ukraine.”

The most famous nightclub in Georgia, Bassiani, has reportedly stopped Russias from entering because of their nationality.

Dedaena, which is named after a famous 19th-century book for children learning Georgian, decided to implement the “visa policy” because of “a growing number of cases of misbehavior from Russian tourists,” Lapauri said, adding that it was “a way to protect the bar and keep it friendly and nice.”

“It's very common that people from Russia do not even request — they demand service and menus in Russian or to pay in rubles. Sometimes aggressively. As if it’s something that belongs to them. I would definitely prefer not to introduce the visa policy because it doesn’t look good to me — it looks terrible. But we were forced to do it,” the bar owner said.

However, many Russians living in Georgia say such measures violate their rights.

“I think that such measures are unacceptable, they contradict international laws — any discrimination based on nationality or political views is unacceptable,” Russian citizen Ulyana Kalinina, who moved to Georgia in 2017, told The Moscow Times.

“It is inciting hatred in the country where we all live,” she said.

Dedaena’s rules for Russians led to a series of cyberattacks last month in which the bar’s online pages were flooded with negative reviews. The attacks were apparently orchestrated by Male State, a Russian group with extreme nationalist and radical chauvinist views.

While some locals resent what they see as the colonial attitudes of incoming Russians, others have highlighted that a large Russian community could also pose a threat to security and political stability in Georgia, a country of just 3.7 million people.

There is no accurate data for the number of Russians who have relocated to Georgia since the Ukraine war, but the figure is believed to run into the tens of thousands.

About 6,400 companies were registered by Russian citizens in Georgia between March and June of this year, according to Transparency International, which was three times more than in the same period in 2019 before the start of the coronavirus pandemic.

Security concerns have also been fueled by reports of Russians working for the Federal Security Service (FSB) in Georgia. A Muscovite claimed in July he was recruited to spy on Russian dissidents in Tbilisi, while an employee of opposition leader Alexei Navalny who was working for the FSB also recently admitted he relocated to Georgia.

“I fear that there might be some kind of provocation from Moscow due to the large number of Russians,” said Nino, a Georgian who declined to provide her surname.

“People come here, they start buying apartments, they have a residence permit, they don’t learn Georgian and then — who knows — what if Russia comes here to ‘protect’ its people like it’s doing in Ukraine?” she told The Moscow Times in Tbilisi.

While the Georgian capital is famous for its hospitality, restaurants and nightlife, some politicians have called for the introduction of visas for Russian tourists since the war.

Ukrainian flags are a common sight on the streets of Tbilisi, and one street banner on display on a recent visit referenced Georgia’s famous cuisine: “Putin is killing people in Ukraine while Russians eat khachapuri in Georgia.”

There is also evidence that Georgian border guards are increasingly denying entry to prominent Russian journalists and activists when they try to enter the country.

Those who oppose restrictions for Russian citizens argue that targeting Russians is only likely to increase tensions with locals.

“Most people who moved to Georgia do not support Putin's policy and the war — these are the people who go to protests and speak up loudly about their political views,” said one Russian expat with Georgian roots.

“These [restrictions] might backfire and push people back to Putin,” she added.

At the same time, a number of Russian opposition activists believe there is nothing problematic about asking Russians to express their opposition to Putin.

Anton Mikhalchuk, a Tbilisi-based activist and manager for the Free Russia Foundation, posted a photo from the bar last month, arguing that the alleged presence of significant “Russophobia” in Georgia was merely Russian “propaganda.”

And Lapauri said that, as long as Russian drinkers state their opposition to Putin, they will be treated just like Georgians or guests from any other country.

“We have lots of Russian speakers and many of them are also citizens of Russia and they don’t mind filling in the form,” he said.

“We have positive feedback from them, they like our music and atmosphere.”

Josecapo escribió:Putin bombardeando de forma indiscriminada el centro de las principales ciudades ucranianas.

El nivel de nerviosismo y ridículo alcanzando sus cotas más altas.

Steve Trumbo escribió:Es una desnazificación sana para proteger a la gente del Donbass, esa de la que se hablaba tanto en el foro en 2015.

Por cierto, el responsable de lo del puente de Crimea, tema que me sigue teniendo preocupadísimo, es unica y exclusivamente Putin.

Fridge escribió:

Steve Trumbo escribió:Es una desnazificación sana para proteger a la gente del Donbass, esa de la que se hablaba tanto en el foro en 2015.

Por cierto, el responsable de lo del puente de Crimea, tema que me sigue teniendo preocupadísimo, es unica y exclusivamente Putin.

Ah, pues uno pensaba que el puente lo han volado Biden y Borrell The Killer. A medias.